[Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Cushions
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Sat Aug 27 13:56:53 EDT 2005
Wally,
Mine are the same, the same color, made at the same time. Mine are
harder than soft, but softer than hard. I use them all.
Bill Effros
Bill Effros
Slim wrote:
>Wally,
>
>Yes, they're different. They're a different color, not as thick and seem to
>be made of a different kind of foam. Much harder.
>
>Slim
>
>On 8/27/05 11:30 AM, "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>So your filler cushions are different? Is that the norm?
>>
>>Wally
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: Slim <salm at mn.rr.com>
>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>To: Rhodes <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Cushions
>>>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:10:39 -0500
>>>
>>>Wally,
>>>
>>>My GB cockpit cushions are very comfortable and as you might guess from my
>>>nick name, I have very little natural padding to make sitting any better.
>>>I
>>>sleep on them comfortably as well. Not true of my filler cushions--they're
>>>hard as a rock and I rarely use them.
>>>
>>>Slim
>>>
>>>On 8/27/05 10:42 AM, "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Bill, Thanks for your response. To clarify. I have cushions in cockpit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>now
>>>
>>>
>>>>but they are shot. I do like the folding chairs but I would rather put
>>>>
>>>>
>>>that
>>>
>>>
>>>>money toward new cushions.
>>>>
>>>>I was wondering if you added all of these other seating devices because
>>>>
>>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>cushions were uncomfortable. Your first description of seating
>>>>
>>>>
>>>arrangements
>>>
>>>
>>>>didn't mention comfort of cockpit cushions alone. Your solution would
>>>>
>>>>
>>>have
>>>
>>>
>>>>me purchasing 2 Captains Chairs, 2 bean bag chairs, and 2 folding chairs
>>>>from West along with all new cockpit cushions. That is not an option.
>>>>
>>>>i like an uncluttered cockpit as well as uncluttered cabin. Anne says
>>>>
>>>>
>>>her GB
>>>
>>>
>>>>cushions are comfortable so that answered my question. :-)
>>>>
>>>>Wally
>>>>
>>>>Lawn is mowed - NOW I am off to lake!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Cushions
>>>>>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:49:00 -0400
>>>>>
>>>>>Wally,
>>>>>
>>>>>I guess I never even considered sailing without cushions on the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>fiberglass
>>>
>>>
>>>>>benches. Even though I frequently sail single handed, and always sail
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>from
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Captain's Seats, I always put out Stan's cushions--every single time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>They
>>>
>>>
>>>>>are part of the boat, as far as I'm concerned. I think the proportions
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>everything are better for sailing when the cushions are in place.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>Also, as
>>>
>>>
>>>>>noted previously, I don't bang myself up as much with the cushions
>>>>>protecting me from harder surfaces.
>>>>>
>>>>>I only sit on the cushions when hove-to, or at anchor, and I guess they
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>are
>>>
>>>
>>>>>comfortable, enough. But they are not as comfortable as the cushions
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>with
>>>
>>>
>>>>>bean bag chairs on top of them, or the cushions with "Elton's" folding
>>>>>seats on top of them. (I never put the bean bag chairs or folding
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>seats
>>>
>>>
>>>>>directly on the fiberglass benches--that is not as comfortable as
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>Stan's
>>>
>>>
>>>>>cushions alone.)
>>>>>
>>>>>When guests come aboard my boat they always marvel at how comfortable
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>they
>>>
>>>
>>>>>all are--not just the person who grabs the other Captain's seat. My
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>boat
>>>
>>>
>>>>>has 6 comfortable seats while sailing. They are all based on putting
>>>>>Stan's cockpit cushions over the hard benches. Since I sail the boat
>>>>>upright, people do not shift back and forth every time I tack. They
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>find a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>comfortable seat, and stay in it for the entire ride.
>>>>>
>>>>>My cockpit, with Stan's cushions and my additional seats, is more
>>>>>comfortable for all of the passengers and crew than any other boat I've
>>>>>ever been in.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill Effros
>>>>>
>>>>>Wally Buck wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I would be using Stan's cockpit cushions for seating. Are they
>>>>>>confortable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wally
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Cushions
>>>>>>>Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:37:29 -0400
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Wally,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have Stan's cockpit cushions. I almost never sit directly on them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>generally sit in a captain's chair, with my feet on the cushions. I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>also
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>have 2 folding seats (available from West for around $50), and 2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>beanbag
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>chairs purchased from the beanbag lady at a boat show for around $75
>>>>>>>each. All 6 seats can be comfortably deployed simultaneously. Each
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>seat
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>is more comfortable than any seat that comes standard in any sailboat
>>>>>>>I've ever been on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Stan's cushions fit perfectly, and have proved very durable. They
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>are 7
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>years old and still look brand new. I store them (along with all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>other seats) on the settee when not in use. I put them out
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>immediately
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>every time I go on board. This takes around 14 seconds. I like them
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>for
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>kneeling when I am pulling in anchors or putting out fenders. Every
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>now
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>and again I kneel to do something after I have put away the cushions.
>>>>>>>Boy those seats are hard!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bill Effros
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Wally Buck wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Bill, It is hard to guess what I would want to spend. You need to
>>>>>>>>determine production and shipping costs. From there add the desired
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>mark
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>up. That is the price. I am sure GB does not want to carry large
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>cost
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>for inventory. I would suspect that prices could be quoted for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>different
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>sizes. Get quotes for 5, 10 25, each. I have no idea who to go to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>for
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>"quotes" in China but it sounds like there might be folks on this
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>list
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>that do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Initially I would want new cockpit cushions with fill in. Also cabin
>>>>>>>>cushions. I am considering doing this myself. I am also getting
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>price
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>locally. One drawbck to doing them myself is the most likely will
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>look
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>like crap. Having them done locally means I can test foam and not
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>pay
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>shipping. Ordering from GB means they will fit right but I don't
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>want
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>standard foam. In the cabin I want to go with 3 inches of foam with
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>1
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>inch of memory foam glued on top side. I have seen cushions made
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>this
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>way and they are great for sleeping and sitting. I am still working
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>on
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>best foam for cockpit (with fill in).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Wally
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
>>>>>>>>>Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:02:44 -0400
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Wally,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Can you put numbers on your desires? I mean this quite seriously.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>I
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>know you use your boat, and I know you want to be fair to Stan. At
>>>>>>>>>what price would you buy various items from Stan? Which items
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>would
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>you be most interested in? What would you be willing to pay? You
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>will
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>not be held to any of this--it is just part of an exercise to see
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>if
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>what we all want can be done.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Wally Buck wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If you are asking me if I have a problem purchasing Chinese made
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>boat
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>parts from Stan ....If I place my order and send payment to Stan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>source doesn't concern me too much. I would prefer to buy "USA"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>but I
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>have owned many imported cars.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You also asked if price is holding me back from purchasing boat
>>>>>>>>>>goodies from GB. The answer is yes. I would love to have new cabin
>>>>>>>>>>cushions, new cockpit cushions, cokcpit fill-in cushions, pop-top
>>>>>>>>>>enclosure, bimini. The boom room really doesn't interest me. We
>>>>>>>>>>overnight quite a bit. If it is stormy we go in cabin. If it is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>nice
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>we like the view from cockpit. We also swim and fish. I am trying
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>decide if I should spend the money on my R22 or perhaps sell and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>use
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>the cash from all of those upgrades for .......
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I forgot, add the battened IMF to my wish list as well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Wally
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>To: R22 List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
>>>>>>>>>>>Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:21:37 -0400
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Brad Haslett emailed me off-list regarding our discussion of boom
>>>>>>>>>>>rooms, etc. which he has been following while vacationing in
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>China.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Brad asked if anyone would have an interest in his exploring
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>Chinese
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>manufacture of Boom Rooms, Sails, Pop-Top Enclosures, Cockpit and
>>>>>>>>>>>Cabin Cushions, Cockpit Fill in Boards, -- all the little stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Chinese can make for a fraction of what it costs to manufacture
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>in
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>the US.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I have not asked Stan about this, and I don't think Brad has
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>either,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>however it goes without saying that if Stan doesn't like the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>idea,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Brad is not going to do it. Stan would make money on every item
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>made
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>in China, and whatever he says is his cut, that's what he'll get.
>>>>>>>>>>>There will be no negotiation on this.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>But before he even begins the project, Brad wants to know how the
>>>>>>>>>>>ultimate consumers feel about this idea. If Brad can set up
>>>>>>>>>>>manufacturing in China with Stan's approval, would Rhodes owners
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>buy
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>the Chinese made products?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Stan would have to provide the original patterns and
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>specifications,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>but that is all Stan would have to do. Brad believes he can set
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>up a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>reliable manufacturing operation in China that will produce any
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>these products to Stan's satisfaction at a lower cost than Stan
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>can
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>get them produced in the US.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>5 of us indicated an interest in Boom Rooms. Me, Chris, Dave,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>Bruce,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>and maybe Bob. (Did I miss anyone?) I would be willing to be
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>guinea pig on this. How do the rest of you feel? Bob, if we
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>could
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>bring the price down, at what price would you be a player?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What about people who want Pop Top Enclosures, or Battened IMF
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>sails,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>or cockpit fill in cushions? Is there a price for these items
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>that
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>would prompt you to take money out of your pocket and put it on
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>table?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Look at Stan's options prices on his web site
>>>>>>>>>>>(http://www.rhodes22.com/super_options.html). Is there something
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>you
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>would actually buy if the price were lower? If so, what would
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>price have to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Brad is returning to the US shortly, and doesn't have much time
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>see if he can set up something like this. If you think this is a
>>>>>>>>>>>terrible idea, please speak up quickly so we all know where we
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>stand.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I think this is an interesting idea if Brad can actually do it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>It
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>is something we can all do to put more money in Stan's pocket
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>right
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>away, while buying parts for our boats at a lower cost. It's a
>>>>>>>>>>>win-win...if Brad can pull it off.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Please note. Brad is a commercial airline pilot who no longer
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>owns a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Rhodes 22. There is nothing in this deal for him. He will
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>always
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>make more money flying an airplane than getting involved in a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>crazy
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>sailboat spare parts Chinese manufacturing scheme. He just
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>happens
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>to be in China right now, saw Stan's Lament, and asked if there
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>was
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>anything he could do to help.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Bill Effros
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
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