[Rhodes22-list] Chicago

Fri Feb 11 10:22:33 EST 2005

Ron:  Thanks for your well wishes.  Kathy made me promise to spend more time 
in Chicago next time so that we can "see the sights" that you recommended. 
Hopefully the weather will be warmer and we can sail with you.

Smooth Sailing,  Bob and Kathy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ronald Lipton" <rlipton at earthlink.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Blue Water Boats

> Bob,
>
>  Congradulations on getting the boat back in the water, and best
> of luck with the insurance company.  It was nice to see you and
> Kathy in Chicago.
>
> Ron
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert Quinn" <rjquinn at bellsouth.net>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Blue Water Boats
>
>
>> Mark:  Could not have said it any better.  The wood below decks is neat 
>> and real "yachtie."  Kathy and I love it.  The work on deck is another 
>> story.  A 37' teak toe rail - on both sides none-the-less.  I just 
>> finished scraping off 20 some years of "stuff" and coated it with Semco, 
>> a Teak preservative. It looks very nice but not bright and shinny.  I'm 
>> anxious to see how it will hold up in the Florida sun.
>>
>> We just splashed the boat  week before last after some hurricane damage 
>> (rigging - both running and fixed, a scratch work out, a new stripe, a 
>> new section of rub rail, and a new stanchion base)  and a fresh coat of 
>> bottom paint.  A couple of chores (new engine hoses, water heater hoses, 
>> and refresh of the heat exchanger) to go before we set sail for the Keys 
>> again. Can't wait!
>>
>> We spent time with Elton at the Chicago show and met up with the Chicago 
>> Rhodies for dinner.  A great fun group!
>>
>>
>> Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi"
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mark Kaynor" <mark at kaynor.org>
>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 12:11 PM
>> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Blue Water Boats
>>
>>
>> Brad,
>>
>> The interior wood doesn't require a lot of maintenance - if varnished,
>> there's no UV exposure, so it lasts quite a while. If oiled, a periodic
>> cleaning w/ Murphy's keeps it looking nice.
>>
>> The exterior wood is a bit of a PITA - we've gotten pretty good service 
>> from
>> Cetol.
>>
>> I love the woodwork inside the boat. The difference between the interior 
>> of
>> a Tayana and a more "modern" boat like a Hunter or a Beneteau is a bit 
>> like
>> the difference between a Victorian house and a double-wide. No comparison 
>> in
>> workmanship, even though the living space in the double-wide is generally
>> lighter and more open. That's not to knock the "more modern" boats - I 
>> just
>> love the look and feel of that wonderful teak joinery.
>>
>> And to top it off, the Ta Shing Panda is all curves inside - I just 
>> looked
>> in Yachtworld, but there's only one on there right now. You can see the
>> curve of the settee and the salon, but there are no good pics of the 
>> galley
>> or the v-berth - both of which are exquisite and were a large reason we 
>> so
>> liked the boat. The one we looked at had a starburst inlaid salon table 
>> and
>> the cushions were probably the most comfortable of any boat we looked at.
>> Problem is, they're more pricey than the Tayana - they were asking $5K 
>> more
>> for the Panda we looked at that needed a lot of work than we paid for our
>> Tayana that was ready to go. And that was $30-35K less than any other 
>> Panda
>> on the market at that time. Gorgeous boats, though.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of brad haslett
>> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 4:21 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Blue Water Boats
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> It took some research but I finally found the Panda, made by Tashing.  I
>> love all the Chinese boats, Tashing, Choey Lee, Tayana (my wife would 
>> argue
>> about whether they are really Chinese but we'll leave that issue alone).
>> Frankly, for me, all that wood looks like a lot of work but my friend is 
>> a
>> woodworker and that would be right up his alley.  We bought this building
>> together with the idea that he'd spend more time in the area and on my 
>> boat.
>> Since he got arrested for public intoxication jogging back to my boat the
>> second day there, he wants to use the facilities to for a restoration
>> project and tell the rest of society (including the local gestapo) to 
>> F/O.
>> He's 55, no kids, comfortable nest egg, no obligations except maybe a
>> sweetheart in China, he's ready to cruise.  Bastard!
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>> --- Mark Kaynor <mark at kaynor.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Brad,
>>>
>>> Back when we were looking, we went to Ft. Lauderdale
>>> - there are always a
>>> ton of boats for sale down there. Before we found Rachel, we fell in
>>> love with a Panda 38 we saw. It was an "ugly duckling"
>>> but it was beautiful. We
>>> went back to see it twice before we left. Bob Quinn gave us the name
>>> of a surveyor in Ft. Pierce and we had him go down and take a quick
>>> look - not a full survey - we just wanted to know if there was
>>> anything really wrong with it. Turned out the mast step was cracked,
>>> all the standing rigging needed to be replaced, it needed all new
>>> sails, had wooden decks w/ some water intrusion, and there were
>>> several other things wrong with it, too. Then we found Rachel and
>>> decided to go with the Tayana - in part because we wanted to go
>>> sailing, not spend another year or two and a bunch more "boat bucks"
>>> getting ready - and because the Tayana has that "classic" look we
>>> love. I still think about that Panda sometimes, though.
>>>
>>> Below is a short email from another Tayana 37 owner discussing his
>>> experience with an Island Packet 38. This guy is sort of the Tayana
>>> list's "resident Roger" <g>.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> -------------------
>>>
>>> Just my impression from two long passages in nearly new IP38s from
>>> Cape May to halfway to Bermuda and then toward Norfolk....
>>> Both IP38s seemed to me
>>> to be 'lifeless'  - no helm feedback (rack and pinion), poorly
>>> arranged and under strength deck hardwa re and running gear, staysail
>>> was very small (I did like the hoyt boom).  When I was on the helm I
>>> had to steer more by eyeball than feel or helm pressure.  Both boats
>>> had poorly tuned rigging so I cant offer much about what it would be
>>> like on a proper ly tuned IP rig.
>>> These trips were before I had interest in a Ty37 but convinced me that
>>> an IP was NOT to be included in my 'wish list'.  I realized that were
>>> set up as the typical 'cruiser's boat' but I do remember that nothing
>>> excited me about these b oats .... just a ho-hum experience.
>>> Inside they were OK.  Other than an hourly maintenance tour when at
>>> sea (my
>>> routine) I didnt get deeply into the 'mechanicals'
>>> nor structurals but I saw
>>> nothing that stood out as 'bad'.  We did catch a near-gale nearing the
>>> entrance to Ches and I was su rprised at the pounding of the bow and
>>> extreme hobby-horsing into dead-on high chop (and the 'ends'
>>> were not loaded), I
>>> would have expected a smoother action from such a hull form ... and
>>> then a lot of hardware (winches, etc.) started breaking, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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