[Rhodes22-list] Nuclear Energy Replies
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Wed Feb 23 09:01:00 EST 2005
Rob,
Reagan was too busy selling arms to Iran so he could fund the terrorists
in Nicaragua. Ollie North was the ambassador or emissary who destroyed
documents and lied about his activities to Congress. He was convicted
on 3 counts, but got off on a technicality.
But they are all Republicans, and it's OK if you're a Republican.
No partisanship here.
Bill Effros
Rob Lowe wrote:
>Hank,
>I can sort of see that re-reading the post. Guess it wasn't that clear to
>me first time. Sorry! - Rob
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:20 AM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Nuclear Energy Replies
>
>
>
>
>>Rob,
>>
>>Read Roger's e-mail a little closer. This was not done by the two
>>administrations. This was done during the Clinton administration with
>>Carter working as an ambassador or emmissary. The two of them worked
>>together to develop this.
>>
>>Hank
>>
>>
>>On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:14:07 -0500, Rob Lowe <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Gee Roger, do I detect a bit of partaininship in your response? I seem
>>>
>>>
>to
>
>
>>>remember there were two presidents between Carter and Clinton, namely
>>>
>>>
>Reagan
>
>
>>>and Bush the first. I seem to recall them being part of the appeasement
>>>process too.
>>>
>>>Rob Lowe
>>>S/V Getaway
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Roger Pihlaja" <cen09402 at centurytel.net>
>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 6:09 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Nuclear Energy Replies
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ed,
>>>>
>>>>Boy, scary stuff! It's starting to sound more and more like my
>>>>
>>>>
>fearless
>
>
>>>>prediction from late September, 2004 about an Israeli military strike
>>>>
>>>>
>on
>
>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>Iranian nuclear industry is going to come true. It's currently late
>>>>February, 2005 and my original prediction said it would happen within
>>>>
>>>>
>a
>
>
>>>>year, or by late September, 2005. I'll stand by my original timing.
>>>>
>>>>Israel absolutely cannot tolerate an Iran with nuclear weapons. It's
>>>>
>>>>
>a
>
>
>>>life
>>>
>>>
>>>>or death issue for them.
>>>>
>>>>Fortunately, Israel does not have Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>negotiating
>>>
>>>
>>>>"on their behalf" like the United States did in 1994 with North Korea.
>>>>
>>>>
>I
>
>
>>>>still can't believe Carter won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1994 for that
>>>>
>>>>
>>>craven
>>>
>>>
>>>>piece of appeasement. Now, North Korea has nuclear weapons using the
>>>>"peaceful" nuclear power reactors that Carter & Clinton gave them as
>>>>
>>>>
>part
>
>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>that deal. Gee, a tyranical communist dictator went back on his word
>>>>
>>>>
>and
>
>
>>>>treaty obligations and started building nuclear weapons about 10
>>>>
>>>>
>minutes
>
>
>>>>after the ink was dry on the 1994 agreement. Who would have ever
>>>>
>>>>
>expected
>
>
>>>>that? Clinton & Carter should be tried for high treason for setting
>>>>
>>>>
>the
>
>
>>>>world up for another 50 years of nuclear stand-off with a communist
>>>>dictatorship. That's a best-case scenario, if we're "lucky". The
>>>>worst-case scenarios get considerably scarier.
>>>>
>>>>Allow Iran to get nukes? I don't think so!
>>>>
>>>>On a brighter note, I saw the 1st sign of spring today. The 2005 West
>>>>Marine and Defender Marine Master Catalogs arrived via the US Snail
>>>>
>>>>
>Mail!
>
>
>>>>Can ice breakup be far behind?
>>>>
>>>>2000 mockingbirds = two kilomockingbirds cute! :)
>>>>
>>>>Roger Pihlaja
>>>>S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:02 AM
>>>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Nuclear Energy Replies
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Roger:
>>>>>You will not convince Bill or his fellow travelers of what you are
>>>>>saying. Iran and for that matter, Syria are just trying to help
>>>>>
>>>>>
>their
>
>
>>>>people
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>to better lives. And what was that message the Israelis let slip in
>>>>>international circles in the last couple of days? That they can not
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>wait
>>>
>>>
>>>>>for the Europeans to resolve the issue. I guess we all better sail
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>while
>>>
>>>
>>>>we
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>can, it is liable to get messy over their.
>>>>>
>>>>>Some recent info:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>www.islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_
>
>
>>>>>id=6795
>>>>>
>>>>>(page down to nuclear discussion) http://billroggio.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id
>
>
>>>>>=7062
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>www.aljazeera.com/cgi-in/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_ID=
>
>
>>>>>6945
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ed K
>>>>>Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>Addendum: 2000 mockingbirds = two kilomockingbirds
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 9:14 AM
>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Nuclear Energy
>>>>>
>>>>>Well said, Roger.
>>>>>Steve
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--- Roger Pihlaja <cen09402 at centurytel.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Bill,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You have to wonder why they want it. Iran is
>>>>>>sitting on proven reserves of
>>>>>>about 1 trillion barrels of crude oil as well as
>>>>>>copious quantities of
>>>>>>natural gas. The country has excellent warm water,
>>>>>>ice-free port facilities
>>>>>>to ship their crude oil and natural gas. They have
>>>>>>a pretty good
>>>>>>intra-country pipeline and refinery infrastructure.
>>>>>>They have zero reserves
>>>>>>of uranium. At the present rate of energy
>>>>>>production & given Iran's current
>>>>>>population, GDP, & growth rate, their proven fossil
>>>>>>fuel reserves will
>>>>>>supply all their internal energy and export needs
>>>>>>for the next 50-75 years,
>>>>>>even if the country gets heavily into manufacturing
>>>>>>petrochemicals like
>>>>>>polyethylene, polypropylene, nylon, etc. That's
>>>>>>enough time to build and
>>>>>>use up at least 1 generation of nuclear power plants
>>>>>>before they are even
>>>>>>necessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gee, do you think maybe, just maybe, Iran has an
>>>>>>alternate agenda here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Roger Pihlaja
>>>>>>S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>To: "R22 List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:52 PM
>>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Nucular Energy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Been meaning to ask.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How 'bout that Iran?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do they get to have nuclear energy, too?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Or is it only safe enough for us?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bill Effros
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
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