[Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war

[Bill Effros]

Sock it to 'em, Saroj!

Bill Effros

Saroj Gilbert wrote:

> I'm not in the least interested in a sob story about how the numbers 
> of our enlisted troops "dropped"... the truth is that the services 
> reniged (sp?) on many service extension contracts... written 
> contracts... with fine, career service men and women "let go" to be 
> replaced with lower paid, less skilled individuals.... modeled by 
> corporate America with the same mindset that states "it is good for 
> our country to send jobs oversease".... This is within the past 2 
> years.... SINCE 9/11 and the intent to declare war....
>
> As far as it being the "right" choice... for what? give me one good 
> reason why we should have declared war on Iraq.... WMD's? Ha!  a 
> ruthless dictator? We've been in bed with so many ruthless dictators, 
> it is impossible to keep track of them.
>
> so where do we stop??  Why not Saudi Arabia first... after all that's 
> where the terrorists came from? What about North Korea?  What about 
> putting a stop to the horrors that have been occurring in Africa for 
> centuries and persist to this day?
>
> Give me a break... this is a politically motivated action causing 
> untold suffering and pain on our own people.  Anything politically 
> motivated is self-defined as corrupt.
>
> Shame on us for allowing this to occur!
>
> Saroj
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deena" <pestyone57 at comcast.net>
> To: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>; "The Rhodes 22 mail list" 
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:13 AM
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war
>
>
>> Unfortunately it is the right choice.  My husband is a former US 
>> marine, and
>> currently a lieutenant colonel (Military Intelligence) in the US Army
>> stationed at US Central Command.  He was retired and called back shortly
>> after 911.  He is still on active duty and will do another 2 1/2 
>> years. He
>> did not have to go.   It was a declared war and there is not going to 
>> be a
>> draft, at least for sometime since we do have a volunteer army and a 
>> lot of
>> reservists thanks to Clintons draw down. We went from an army of 2 1/2
>> million to a little more than 400,000 active duty.  Big drop.   If we 
>> were
>> not over seas, there would be a lot more deaths here in the US.  You 
>> would
>> be surprised at what the US has already found and stopped here.   I 
>> have 2
>> boys, one who will be appearing in the movie the "New World" I 
>> wouldn't want
>> them to go on any political venture either.  But sometimes you have 
>> to make
>> a stand.  Deena
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of stan
>> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:51 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war
>>
>> thanks for the rare sharing, Rummy.
>>
>> Still waiting for Steve and friends to back up their bravado with 
>> enlisting
>> or Bush to let his daughters sign up.  Maybe war is exciting and 
>> glamorous
>> for some who stay home and hire others - but if it really, really, 
>> really is
>> the right thing to do, as several on the List seem to think, then it 
>> should
>> also be the right thing to declare war, have a fair draft for those 
>> asked to
>> serve and rationing for the fully committed home front.  I for one would
>> never allow my kids to be taken for any half hearted venture where the
>> politically correct back up is tax cutting and magnetic symbols.
>>
>> stan, WW11
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war
>>
>>
>>> Herb and all,
>>>
>>> Neither the body count or the number in country had anything to do  
>>> with
>>> our
>>> commitment or lack thereof in Vietnam. When a soldier is being fired 
>>> upon
>>> and
>>> has to radio for permission to return fire, that's a lack of  
>>> commitment.
>>> Remember, we didn't have cell phones in those days and military  
>>> radio's,
>>> as good
>>> as they were, often couldn't contact anyone. I was with an  armored 
>>> unit
>>> in I
>>> Corps (DMZ area) from 1970 to 1971 and saw a lot of strange  stuff, but
>>> having to ask for permission to return fire is the one thing that  
>>> really
>>> burned my
>>> butt. Sometimes we just didn't ask for permission and pleaded  no radio
>>> contact when questioned after the fact. It was easier and saved our 
>>> butts
>>> on many
>>> an occasion.
>>> The one thing that concerns me when these discussions come up on the 
>>> list
>>> is
>>> that I doubt that many people on either side of the issue know what
>>> happens
>>> to the human body when it is hit with a fifty caliber round or a 
>>> grenade.
>>> Or,
>>> when a RPG hits a tank and burns through the armament and blows up 
>>> inside
>>> the
>>> tank turning those bodies into chipped beef. War isn't pretty 
>>> people. Part
>>> of my  duties while in Vietnam were to identify bodies at the morgue 
>>> when
>>> they
>>> were  brought in from the field. I still have nightmares about my
>>> experiences,
>>> and  don't talk about them very often. The decision to go to war has 
>>> to be
>>> taken very  seriously. People talking about body counts like your 
>>> counting
>>> cord
>>> wood makes  me sick. Take a walk through a veterans hospital 
>>> sometime and
>>> meet
>>> some of the  walking dead. Your thoughts on war will change, I 
>>> guarantee
>>> it.
>>> War isn't good  for any living thing.
>>> Time to step off the soap box and mix a drink. Coke has a new Diet Coke
>>> made
>>> with Splenda. No more Nutrasweet poisoning. Yeah!
>>>
>>> Rummy
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