[Rhodes22-list] Biil and Brad

Philip 3drecon at comcast.net
Tue May 24 16:10:19 EDT 2005 

Although I live in Virginia now;   I grew up and spent most of my life in
Darien.  Deena

-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Bill Effros
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 3:07 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Biil and Brad

I am; Brad isn't.

Bill  Effros

Philip wrote:

>Are you guys from Greenwich Connecticut?  Deena
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 2:08 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Internet from your boat?
>
>Brad,
>
>Don't get suckered by press releases.
>
>There are places in Greenwich that can't get cell phone service.
>
>I've used a cell phone as a modem.  It works.  But...
>
>The key to making it useful is the software that connects you to the
>Internet.  If the software starts you all over again every time you lose
>the signal for a fraction of a second, it's not useful.
>
>For what most of us use it for now, high speed is not important.  If I'm
>heading for the rocks, downloading a chart is not the first thing I'm
>likely to do--no matter how fast the connection.
>
>My T-Mobile connection is slow as shit.  It's rated at 10-20 kbs.   But
>it only costs me $20 a month, and I can take  it for one month, drop it
>the next, pick it up again 2 months later...
>
>And if I'm heading for an area where I don't have a chart I can find the
>chart in a minute using google, and download it while I'm making dinner.
>
>If I'm sending an email like this one, it takes me 15 minutes to write
>it, no matter how fast my connection, but once I push the send key,
>there is no difference in the amount of time it takes to send compared
>to my high speed cable at home.
>
>I'm not really going to lug around a laptop on a commuter train so I can
>watch CNN in the event of a delay.
>
>I have a WiFi card for my laptop, also, so I can work high speed
>anywhere I can pick up a signal.  I find I don't do that.  The T-Mobile
>signal is everywhere I go, it's solid, and it's fast enough for what I
>really want to do.  Hunting down wifi takes more time than I lose due to
>the slowness of my system.
>
>And then there's that $20 a month for unlimited use.  I find I actually
>use it all the time.  The slowness of my laptop compared to my desktop
>machine is far more frustrating than the slowness of my connection.
>
>For what it's worth,
>
>Bill Effros
>
>
>
>
>brad haslett wrote:
>
>
>
>>Mark,
>>
>>Here's a good article on your service vs Cingular and
>>what's happening down the road.
>>
>>http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1770717,00.asp
>>
>>Now here's something else that's interesting; beating
>>the system.
>>
>>http://www.lawtechguru.com/archives/2005/03/19_free_wireless_internet_via_
y
>>
>>
>our_3g_cell_phone.html
>
>
>>If I'm smart enought to put it together the low-tech
>>solution would work for us until the next level of
>>technology comes out.
>>
>>Brad
>>--- Mark Kaynor <mkaynor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Brad,
>>>
>>>We just used the stock stick on antenna he provides
>>>and held it above the
>>>car roof for testing last night. In real life, I
>>>expect we'll mast mount
>>>something like a 9-15 db  omindirectional antenna -
>>>that'd really boost the
>>>signal, I'm thinking <g>. The amplifier works very
>>>well - I was impressed.
>>>In several locations we were unable to get enough
>>>signal to connect w/o it,
>>>we were able to browse the web at an acceptable
>>>speed w/ it plugged in. We
>>>didn't have any bandwidth testing tools on my wife's
>>>laptop, so can only
>>>report  subjectively.
>>>
>>>We thought about a repeater, but 1) they cost a lot
>>>more, and 2) I wasn't
>>>too keen on having a bunch of cell phone electrons
>>>bouncing around the cabin
>>>all day every day. The amplifier connects directly
>>>to the card, so almost
>>>all the energy is at the antenna. We also have
>>>concerns about the speed of a
>>>shared connection - I believe we're each going to
>>>need our own card, amp,
>>>antenna, etc. until someone comes up w/ a dual-card
>>>router - that'd be
>>>pretty cool.
>>>
>>>Mark
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>Behalf Of brad haslett
>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:52 AM
>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Internet from your
>>>boat?
>>>
>>>Mark,
>>>
>>>How effective is the amplifier?  Where did you
>>>locate your external antenna
>>>and what type?  Is yours hardwired or wireless?  I
>>>found the best prices
>>>last night on WMJ Marine, on amplifiers and other
>>>electronic items.  Every
>>>map of my lake by every provider shows a "black
>>>hole" along the course of
>>>the river, probably because of the terrain.  The
>>>idea of having a repeater
>>>so that the cellphone and laptop can be used
>>>anywhere on the boat is
>>>appealing.  We have been looking at satellite or DSL
>>>for our shop building
>>>near the lake at $70 per month.  I already pay $10
>>>per month for NetZero
>>>dial-up while travelling.  Cell service may fill all
>>>three squares:
>>>boat/building/travel.  I hadn't really looked at it
>>>for about a year but
>>>things seem to have progressed quite a bit.
>>>
>>>Brad
>>>
>>>
>>>--- Mark Kaynor <mkaynor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Brad,
>>>>
>>>>We paid $175 - regular price from the guy is $190,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>but I got a
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>discount because I'm a "member" of this forum:
>>>>http://www.evdoforums.com/about129-0.html
>>>>
>>>>Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Behalf Of brad haslett
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:44 PM
>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Internet from your
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>boat?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Here's another link to some simular products.  The
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>cost has come down
>>>
>>>
>>>>from the article date, now around $225.  Brad
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>http://www.consumersmarine.com/products2/productdetail.cfm?i=910001&c=91&l
o
>>
>>
>c
>
>
>>
>>
>>>>=PL&m=5&sc=91&v=0&sb=0&p=0
>>>>
>>>>--- Mark Kaynor <mkaynor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>From the Verizon web site:
>>>>>
>>>>>"NationalAccess is capable of data speeds
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>bursting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>up to 144 kbps,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>delivering average speeds up to 60 to 80 kbps.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Speed claim based on
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>our network tests with 5 MB FTP data files,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>without compression.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Actual throughput speed and coverage vary."
>>>>>
>>>>>There are two major factors limiting performance
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>signal strength and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>number of users.
>>>>>
>>>>>If we have 2 bars it's about the same speed as
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>dialup - perhaps even a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>bit slower. Without having done any actual
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>performance tests, I'd say
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>we probably see 70-100 Kbps with a good signal,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>depending on the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>number of users using that cell. Upload speed is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>slower.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Cellular Internet access is like cable Internet
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>access in that it's
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>shared bandwidth, so the more users online at
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>one
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>time, the slower the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>connection.
>>>>>
>>>>>In DC we got to use the Broadband Access at
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>400-700 Kbps - that was
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>nice.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Behalf Of Robert Quinn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:31 PM
>>>>>To: raz; The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Internet from your
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>boat?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Raz:  Right off hand I do not have the speed but
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>it is set at a data
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>rate.
>>>>>I'll hook it up tonight if I have time and get
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>speed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Mark may have it at his finger tips as he is a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>bit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>more "techie" than
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I.
>>>>>{:>)
>>>>>
>>>>>Bob
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "raz" <razsail at gmail.com>
>>>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>>>>><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:22 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Internet from your
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>boat?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Do you have an idea of the bandwidth (baud)?  Is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>it noticeably faster
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>than dialup (58K)?
>>>>>raz
>>>>>
>>>>>On 5/23/05, Robert  Quinn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>><rjquinn at bellsouth.net>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Kathy and I have been using the Verizon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>wireless
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>card for the last 18
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>months
>>>>>>with good success.  Yes, there are spots where
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>your reception will not be
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>satisfactory but that is true of most cell
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>phones
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>as well.  We find that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>if
>>>>>>it is not critical, we will wait until we move
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>connect again.  If it is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>critical, we'll move to a location where we
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>can
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>receive and transmit with
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>not problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" and the Lazy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>Daze
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>RV
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>=== message truncated ===
>>
>>
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