[Rhodes22-list] Biil and Brad
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Tue May 24 16:19:54 EDT 2005
Close enough.
My brother lives in Virginia, but I couldn't place just where.
I was recently in New Orleans, where I heard the following directions:
"Just go to Art Neville's house and make a right at the corner."
That's the precision I love about New Orleans.
Bill Effros
Philip wrote:
>Although I live in Virginia now; I grew up and spent most of my life in
>Darien. Deena
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 3:07 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Biil and Brad
>
>I am; Brad isn't.
>
>Bill Effros
>
>Philip wrote:
>
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>
>>Are you guys from Greenwich Connecticut? Deena
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 2:08 PM
>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Internet from your boat?
>>
>>Brad,
>>
>>Don't get suckered by press releases.
>>
>>There are places in Greenwich that can't get cell phone service.
>>
>>I've used a cell phone as a modem. It works. But...
>>
>>The key to making it useful is the software that connects you to the
>>Internet. If the software starts you all over again every time you lose
>>the signal for a fraction of a second, it's not useful.
>>
>>For what most of us use it for now, high speed is not important. If I'm
>>heading for the rocks, downloading a chart is not the first thing I'm
>>likely to do--no matter how fast the connection.
>>
>>My T-Mobile connection is slow as shit. It's rated at 10-20 kbs. But
>>it only costs me $20 a month, and I can take it for one month, drop it
>>the next, pick it up again 2 months later...
>>
>>And if I'm heading for an area where I don't have a chart I can find the
>>chart in a minute using google, and download it while I'm making dinner.
>>
>>If I'm sending an email like this one, it takes me 15 minutes to write
>>it, no matter how fast my connection, but once I push the send key,
>>there is no difference in the amount of time it takes to send compared
>>to my high speed cable at home.
>>
>>I'm not really going to lug around a laptop on a commuter train so I can
>>watch CNN in the event of a delay.
>>
>>I have a WiFi card for my laptop, also, so I can work high speed
>>anywhere I can pick up a signal. I find I don't do that. The T-Mobile
>>signal is everywhere I go, it's solid, and it's fast enough for what I
>>really want to do. Hunting down wifi takes more time than I lose due to
>>the slowness of my system.
>>
>>And then there's that $20 a month for unlimited use. I find I actually
>>use it all the time. The slowness of my laptop compared to my desktop
>>machine is far more frustrating than the slowness of my connection.
>>
>>For what it's worth,
>>
>>Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>brad haslett wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Mark,
>>>
>>>Here's a good article on your service vs Cingular and
>>>what's happening down the road.
>>>
>>>http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1770717,00.asp
>>>
>>>Now here's something else that's interesting; beating
>>>the system.
>>>
>>>http://www.lawtechguru.com/archives/2005/03/19_free_wireless_internet_via_
>>>
>>>
>y
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>
>>>
>>>
>>our_3g_cell_phone.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>If I'm smart enought to put it together the low-tech
>>>solution would work for us until the next level of
>>>technology comes out.
>>>
>>>Brad
>>>--- Mark Kaynor <mkaynor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Brad,
>>>>
>>>>We just used the stock stick on antenna he provides
>>>>and held it above the
>>>>car roof for testing last night. In real life, I
>>>>expect we'll mast mount
>>>>something like a 9-15 db omindirectional antenna -
>>>>that'd really boost the
>>>>signal, I'm thinking <g>. The amplifier works very
>>>>well - I was impressed.
>>>>In several locations we were unable to get enough
>>>>signal to connect w/o it,
>>>>we were able to browse the web at an acceptable
>>>>speed w/ it plugged in. We
>>>>didn't have any bandwidth testing tools on my wife's
>>>>laptop, so can only
>>>>report subjectively.
>>>>
>>>>We thought about a repeater, but 1) they cost a lot
>>>>more, and 2) I wasn't
>>>>too keen on having a bunch of cell phone electrons
>>>>bouncing around the cabin
>>>>all day every day. The amplifier connects directly
>>>>to the card, so almost
>>>>all the energy is at the antenna. We also have
>>>>concerns about the speed of a
>>>>shared connection - I believe we're each going to
>>>>need our own card, amp,
>>>>antenna, etc. until someone comes up w/ a dual-card
>>>>router - that'd be
>>>>pretty cool.
>>>>
>>>>Mark
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>>Behalf Of brad haslett
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:52 AM
>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Internet from your
>>>>boat?
>>>>
>>>>Mark,
>>>>
>>>>How effective is the amplifier? Where did you
>>>>locate your external antenna
>>>>and what type? Is yours hardwired or wireless? I
>>>>found the best prices
>>>>last night on WMJ Marine, on amplifiers and other
>>>>electronic items. Every
>>>>map of my lake by every provider shows a "black
>>>>hole" along the course of
>>>>the river, probably because of the terrain. The
>>>>idea of having a repeater
>>>>so that the cellphone and laptop can be used
>>>>anywhere on the boat is
>>>>appealing. We have been looking at satellite or DSL
>>>>for our shop building
>>>>near the lake at $70 per month. I already pay $10
>>>>per month for NetZero
>>>>dial-up while travelling. Cell service may fill all
>>>>three squares:
>>>>boat/building/travel. I hadn't really looked at it
>>>>for about a year but
>>>>things seem to have progressed quite a bit.
>>>>
>>>>Brad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--- Mark Kaynor <mkaynor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Brad,
>>>>>
>>>>>We paid $175 - regular price from the guy is $190,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>but I got a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>discount because I'm a "member" of this forum:
>>>>>http://www.evdoforums.com/about129-0.html
>>>>>
>>>>>Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Behalf Of brad haslett
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:44 PM
>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Internet from your
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>boat?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Here's another link to some simular products. The
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>cost has come down
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>from the article date, now around $225. Brad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>http://www.consumersmarine.com/products2/productdetail.cfm?i=910001&c=91&l
>>>
>>>
>o
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>c
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>=PL&m=5&sc=91&v=0&sb=0&p=0
>>>>>
>>>>>--- Mark Kaynor <mkaynor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>From the Verizon web site:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"NationalAccess is capable of data speeds
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>bursting
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>up to 144 kbps,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>delivering average speeds up to 60 to 80 kbps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Speed claim based on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>our network tests with 5 MB FTP data files,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>without compression.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Actual throughput speed and coverage vary."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There are two major factors limiting performance
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>signal strength and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>number of users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If we have 2 bars it's about the same speed as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>dialup - perhaps even a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>bit slower. Without having done any actual
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>performance tests, I'd say
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>we probably see 70-100 Kbps with a good signal,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>depending on the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>number of users using that cell. Upload speed is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>slower.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Cellular Internet access is like cable Internet
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>access in that it's
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>shared bandwidth, so the more users online at
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>one
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>time, the slower the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>connection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In DC we got to use the Broadband Access at
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>400-700 Kbps - that was
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>nice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Behalf Of Robert Quinn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:31 PM
>>>>>>To: raz; The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Internet from your
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>boat?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Raz: Right off hand I do not have the speed but
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>it is set at a data
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>rate.
>>>>>>I'll hook it up tonight if I have time and get
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>speed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Mark may have it at his finger tips as he is a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>bit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>more "techie" than
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I.
>>>>>>{:>)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bob
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "raz" <razsail at gmail.com>
>>>>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>>>>>><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:22 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Internet from your
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>boat?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you have an idea of the bandwidth (baud)? Is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>it noticeably faster
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>than dialup (58K)?
>>>>>>raz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 5/23/05, Robert Quinn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>><rjquinn at bellsouth.net>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Kathy and I have been using the Verizon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>wireless
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>card for the last 18
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>months
>>>>>>>with good success. Yes, there are spots where
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>your reception will not be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>satisfactory but that is true of most cell
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>phones
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>as well. We find that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>if
>>>>>>>it is not critical, we will wait until we move
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>connect again. If it is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>critical, we'll move to a location where we
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>can
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>receive and transmit with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>not problems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" and the Lazy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>Daze
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>RV
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>=== message truncated ===
>>>
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