[Rhodes22-list]Public Schools, was Public Radio and TV

[Steve]

Teacher need to perform & the kids need to show decent
grades before any public school teacher gets another
cent.  
Steve


--- Slim <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:

> Philip,
> 
> Why are you against public schools?  I admit, there
> are many problems,
> mostly caused by union-bashing, fund-cutting
> republicans; but the public
> schools are our best resource, period.  Shouldn't we
> be giving our youth the
> best that we can?  Private schools cost money that
> most do not need to pay.
> The public system is as good as the funding.  Offer
> a decent wage and you
> attract decent teachers.  Where I live, Minnesota,
> the average life-span of
> a new teacher is three years before they find better
> pay/conditions
> elsewhere.  It's abysmal.  It's a very tough job.  I
> know - been there, done
> that.  Have you?  
> 
> It's easy to sit back and complain, but consider
> this:  The law requires
> specifically mandated curriculum but doesn't fund
> it, and so private schools
> have to send students to the public schools for
> whatever they can't provide,
> e.g., special ed, phy ed, science, or whatever.  And
> then the public schools
> have to take these students, for which they are NOT
> paid, and provide
> service because it's the law.  Private schools want
> to have their cake and
> eat it too.  It's just not fair because it puts the
> public schools in a
> deeper hole than they're already in.  If you want to
> send your kid to
> private school, fine, but don't send him to the
> public school for gym.  But
> you'll have to change the law first.
> 
> What really bugs me is that everybody thinks they're
> an expert, e.g.,
> legislators, governors, parents--none of whom have
> ever set foot in a
> classroom.  They keep coming up with nothing but
> educational gimmicks that
> do nothing but waste the valuable time and money of
> teachers.
> 
> Philip, teaching a kid to read is not rocket
> science, but it becomes
> Herculean without the proper resources.  If you want
> to see our public
> system collapse, we'll be putting our youth and
> therefore our country at a
> disadvantage.  Privatizing leads to nothing but
> discrimination and elitism.
> Is that what you really want for our country--even
> more of the "haves" and
> the "have-nots?"  Should we abandon our nation's
> entire educational
> infrastructure to accommodate you and yours?
> 
> Slim
> 
> On 5/25/05 10:06 PM, "Philip Esteban"
> <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > I am totally against public education in its
> current form.  Any parent who
> > wants their child well educated will NOT send them
> to public school.  As for
> > PBS, if you do not detect the left wing near
> communist, praise Castro bias,
> > then you might want to examine your own leanings.
> > 
> > Philip
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
> Behalf Of Saroj Gilbert
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:58 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Public Radio and TV
> > 
> > 
> > Heavens, I don't even know how to respond to
> this.. may have to leave it up
> > to the eloquence of Stan...
> > 
> > Are you saying that public radio promotes
> communism and socialism?
> > Are you saying that public radio and TV promote
> control of individuals?
> > They are promoting the control of the point of
> view of the masses?
> > They are somehow disdaining individual freedom?
> > 
> > That they are biased in some way I would grant
> you... it is impossible to be
> > a human being or an organization of any kind and
> not be biased... you are
> > too... we all are.. it is the nature of being a
> human being...or group of
> > human beings...  I've been listening to NPR for
> years, and I never picked up
> > on this... hmmm... just dense maybe.. somehow
> intellectually defective?  I
> > find them innovative, focused on presenting
> representation of the arts in a
> > way that can't be found anywhere else, whether
> literature, drama, music.
> > 
> > Why don't you suggest they read Natan Saransky's
> book on Democracy.... they
> > no doubt would... maybe I should read it... I
> haven't...
> > 
> > However if you are concerned about control of the
> individual then you MUST
> > be against public education... that is the biggest
> and most incidious form
> > of it we have in this country..  I know I am.
> > 
> > Saroj
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net>
> > To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:28 AM
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Public Radio and TV
> > 
> > 
> > Saroj:
> > Unfortunately your public radio and TV often
> promotes a control the
> > masses point of view.  Communism and socialism are
> political positions used
> > to control individuals.  Big business is corporate
> control of the
> > individual.  Public radio promotes the same thesis
> of controlling the
> > individual.
> > Individual freedom whether political, educational,
> business is
> > distained by your public media. Public Radio or TV
> promotes only the view
> > which represent their biased point of view.
> > Has radio reader ever read Natan Saransky's book
> on Democracy?  Have
> > they promoted writers who espouse individual
> freedoms?
> > They advocate just another form of bigness...
> > 
> > Ed Kroposki
> > Greenville, SC, USA
> > Addendum:  "As I would not be a slave, so I would
> not be a master.  This
> > expresses my idea of democracy.  Whatever differ
> from this, to the extent of
> > difference, is no democracy."  A. Lincoln
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of Saroj Gilbert
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:01 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war
> > 
> > So we can have a source of news that isn't
> massaged to meet the demands of
> > the corporate advertisers....
> > So we aren't bombarded by commercials...
> > So we can listen to the BBC...
> > So we can experience innovation that isn't
> dependent on commercially
> > dictated norms...
> > 
> > It is mostly subscriber-supported and grant
> supported anyhow... but you'll
> > notice more and more that it receives a lot of
> commercial support too so it
> > may not be able to maintain its independence.
> > 
> > Saroj
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Philip Esteban" <3drecon at comcast.net>
> > To: "'stan'" <stan at rhodes22.com>; "'The Rhodes 22
> mail list'"
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:09 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war
> > 
> > 
> >> Why, with hundreds of channels available are we
> funding public radio and
> >> television, but we are told we need our taxes
> raised to meet other
> >> requirements?  The government needs to get out of
> the radio and tv
> >> business.
> >> 
> >> Philip
> > 
> > 
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