[Rhodes22-list] Brad - Air Conditioning

[Bill Effros]

Brad,

RVs need cooling contraptions because they're not in water.

Tell Ken to try this, instead:

If his date is overheated and needs to cool off, suggest that they both 
take off all their clothes and jump into the water.  If all he wants to 
do is raft up with a bunch of his buddies who are drinking beer and 
watching TV, then he has really missed the point of owning a boat, 
IMHO.  He and his date can both always climb into a buddy's air 
conditioned floating Winnebago.  Or simply not leave home.  But why 
would you choose to do that?  I guess I just don't get it.

RV guys understand it, so, not having any water to jump into, they turn 
their cars into houses.

Dates, kids and wives love to jump into the water, walk on beaches, and 
get away from the tiny cramped space that you have just demonstrated you 
can control to allow them to get from one place to another.

I've seen lots of guys try to convince women and children that they're 
having a great time cramped up in a small bed in a closet sized space 
unable to sleep because of the rocking of the boat, and the genset noise 
and gases created by the guys watching television and drinking beer 
together in nearby air conditioned quarters.  It don't work.

If it's too hot to cool off by jumping in the water, you shouldn't be on 
the water.


Bill Effros


brad haslett wrote:

>Bill,
>
>I hadn't really thought about it that way.  What's the
>name of that new Jane Fonda flick?
>
>Here's what I had in mind, found this on an RV site.
>
>http://www.magnacoach.com/genturi.html
>
>The people that flock to NASCAR races have the same
>problem, lots of RVs in close proximity with exhaust
>gasses down low.  In fact, the RV market has had some
>cases of sucking generator fumes in open windows. 
>That's why most keep CO alarms on board.
>
>Frankly, I'm more than happy to spend overnights at
>the dock.  This research is more for my friend Ken and
>his anticipated boat purchase.  He's already survived
>being hit by a train, running his airplane out of gas,
>and at least one jealous husband.  He'll be fine!
>
>Brad
>
>--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Brad,
>>
>>I see your point.  It appears there are only about 2
>>deaths a year from 
>>carbon monoxide poisoning in airplanes, and you
>>would normally have 3 on 
>>board, so your odds of everyone on board dying in a
>>single incident in a 
>>single year look pretty remote.
>>
>>On the other hand, the FAA frowns on airplane
>>exhaust systems that rely 
>>on coffee can masks and lines holding hoses up
>>masts.
>>
>>Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, the
>>stifling heat and lack of 
>>wind are God's way of telling you that a given day
>>with your family 
>>might better be spent at an air conditioned movie?
>>
>>Bill
>>
>>brad haslett wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Bill,
>>>
>>>"Children and small wives die faster?"  I hadn't
>>>really thought of that but there may be a business
>>>opportunity here. 
>>>
>>>Actually I'm well aware of the dangers of carbon
>>>monoxide risks, remember, my first job in the
>>>      
>>>
>>aviation
>>    
>>
>>>industry was as an airframe and powerplant
>>>      
>>>
>>mechanic. 
>>    
>>
>>>Small airplanes use a shroud around the muffler to
>>>warm ambient air and pump it into the cabin.  Any
>>>      
>>>
>>leak
>>    
>>
>>>in the muffler provides a straight flow of exhaust
>>>      
>>>
>>to
>>    
>>
>>>the cockpit.
>>>
>>>My boat doesn't have an in-cabin location that
>>>      
>>>
>>would
>>    
>>
>>>be suitable for locating a genset without using up
>>>      
>>>
>>too
>>    
>>
>>>much space or being to noisy (same as the R-22). 
>>>      
>>>
>>The
>>    
>>
>>>only logical location for the Honda would be
>>>      
>>>
>>topsides.
>>    
>>
>>>On larger boats, sailboats included, the genset
>>>exhausts via an underwater thru-hull, same as the
>>>engine.  The bulk of the deaths from gensets have
>>>      
>>>
>>been
>>    
>>
>>>on houseboats that port exhaust near a swim
>>>      
>>>
>>platform
>>    
>>
>>>where it accumulates.  The beauty of Bob's design
>>>      
>>>
>>is
>>    
>>
>>>that it takes the exhaust up high where it would
>>>dissapate.  The attraction of mounting the Honda in
>>>      
>>>
>>an
>>    
>>
>>>industrial storage bin or cooler is to quiet it
>>>      
>>>
>>even
>>    
>>
>>>more but might require installing a cooling air
>>>      
>>>
>>intake
>>    
>>
>>>fan and perhaps an exhaust fan as well.  Really
>>>      
>>>
>>pretty
>>    
>>
>>>simple stuff.
>>>
>>>We motored today for about an hour until the wind
>>>picked up.  My little 13hp diesel starts to smell
>>>      
>>>
>>in
>>    
>>
>>>the cabin after awhile.  There are no exhaust
>>>      
>>>
>>leaks,
>>    
>>
>>>diesels just stink (unless they are running on used
>>>french fry oil).  I think I'm going to put in a
>>>powered fan in the engine compartment anyway.  The
>>>only time the Honda would be used at anchor is when
>>>the A/C is running so there would be a constant
>>>      
>>>
>>source
>>    
>>
>>>of fresh air.  
>>>
>>>Trust me, before I take small children on the boat
>>>overnight, I'll test any system extensively with a
>>>carbon monoxide meter.  Wives, mine or anyone
>>>      
>>>
>>else's
>>    
>>
>>>are welcome to dedicate their body to science if
>>>they're interested.
>>>
>>>Brad
>>>
>>>--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Brad,
>>>>
>>>>Roger would have leapt to my aid by now.  I've got
>>>>to look this stuff 
>>>>up, it's not just swimming in my head.  (People
>>>>        
>>>>
>>who
>>    
>>
>>>>dislike satire, stop 
>>>>reading this paragraph.)  You don't want to change
>>>>the name of your boat 
>>>>to R.I.P.
>>>>
>>>>Carbon monoxide is insidious because it has a
>>>>cumulative effect over 
>>>>time.  The time can be very short--like one night.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>You can't see or 
>>>>smell carbon monoxide.  Each particle that gets
>>>>        
>>>>
>>into
>>    
>>
>>>>your lungs becomes 
>>>>attached to a blood cell, and prevents that blood
>>>>cell from delivering 
>>>>oxygen to the other cells in your system--instead
>>>>        
>>>>
>>it
>>    
>>
>>>>delivers the carbon 
>>>>monoxide.  Your system quietly starts shutting
>>>>        
>>>>
>>down
>>    
>>
>>>>for lack of "air," 
>>>>but if you're asleep you don't notice.  Children
>>>>        
>>>>
>>and
>>    
>>
>>>>small wives die 
>>>>faster than big guys because they have fewer cells
>>>>so they shut down 
>>>>sooner.  You accidentally pump enough of that
>>>>        
>>>>
>>stuff
>>    
>>
>>>>into your cabin, you 
>>>>can die in 1 to 3 minutes.  (More satire to end of
>>>>paragraph.) "Hey 
>>>>honey, is it getting cool down there?"
>>>>
>>>>Carbon monoxide kills entire families in big
>>>>        
>>>>
>>houses
>>    
>>
>>>>all the time.  
>>>>Roughly 1500-2000 people a year die in the US from
>>>>carbon monoxide 
>>>>poisoning, almost all of them when something goes
>>>>wrong in an existing, 
>>>>professionally installed, certified exhaust
>>>>        
>>>>
>>system. 
>>    
>>
>>>>Now, you guys are talking about protecting
>>>>yourselves with coffee cans, 
>>>>shop hoses, and coolers.  You plan to enclose your
>>>>family in a tiny 
>>>>space, close all the windows, and recirculate
>>>>        
>>>>
>>cooled
>>    
>>
>>>>air in that space 
>>>>so any carbon monoxide that may have missed your
>>>>lungs the first time 
>>>>around, will get another chance.
>>>>
>>>>Brad, I really don't think you are going to do
>>>>        
>>>>
>>this.
>>    
>>
>>>>BTW Putting an exhaust hose into water is a really
>>>>really bad idea.  It 
>>>>creates back pressure that the engine is not
>>>>designed for.  This will 
>>>>shorten the life of the engine, but more
>>>>        
>>>>
>>importantly
>>    
>>
>>>>in this 
>>>>application, it will cause improper combustion
>>>>        
>>>>
>>which
>>    
>>
>>>>increases carbon 
>>>>monoxide output.  The back pressure will also
>>>>        
>>>>
>>damage
>>    
>>
>>>>the exhaust system 
>>>>causing it to leak above the water line.
>>>>
>>>>Your Friend,
>>>>
>>>>Bill Effros
>>>>
>>>>brad haslett wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Bill,
>>>>>
>>>>>Nope, we're dead serious.  Well, maybe that is a
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>bad
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>choice of words.  There was a spate of carbon
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>monoxide
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>deaths out on Lake Havasau a few years back with
>>>>>houseboats and carbon monoxide gathering under
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>the
>>    
>>
>>>>>swim platform.  A lot of people on other boating
>>>>>     
>>>>>          
>>>>>
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