[Rhodes22-list] Reply to Wally

Fri Sep 2 09:41:34 EDT 2005

Herb,

I figured they most have done something like this. Slidell was hit very 
hard, I am glad you made it out safely. The damage is so much worse than 
anything I have ever seen.

Wally

>From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Wally
>Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 07:34:31 -0500
>
>I was in New Orleans (Slidell) last Saturday as this was all coming to a 
>boil. I don't know what they've done since, but when we left, the 
>interstates WERE all set for "exit only". On I-10 all incoming traffic was 
>closed, and all lanes were used as exits. We left Saturday night, and I-12 
>leading out of Slidell was not done this way, at least not yet. However, 
>shortly before we got to Baton Rouge, all traffic was diverted off it I-12 
>and diverted north. This was done because all traffic on both sides of I-12 
>out of BR was reserved for eastbound only (on that side).
>
>So, while it sounds as if they were not as prepared as it sounds SC is now, 
>they did do some of what you folks are talking about.
>
>Herb Parsons
>
>S/V O'Jure
>   1976 O'Day 25
>   Lake Grapevine, N TX
>
>S/V Reve de Papa
>   1971 Coronado 35
>   Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
>
> >>> ekroposki at charter.net 9/2/2005 7:24:01 AM >>>
>
>Wally:
>	I have lived in South Carolina over 30 years.  My daughter worked at
>a hospital in Charleston during Hugo.  When the 9th floor of the building
>started tilting, she evaluated to Greenville.  I personally saw the tree
>damage from Charleston to Charlotte to Boone, NC.  I saw the marine damage
>in Charleston.  I saw the high school where the water line was a few feet
>from the gym ceiling in McClellanville.
>	Governor Carroll Campbell ordered that all lanes off the coast be
>exit lanes or get out of Dodge lanes.  The most obvious was I-26.  It also
>applied to several state highways.  On State highways they shut off the
>traffic lights and posted Highway Patrol or town cops to wave traffic thru.
>Simply put, get the people out of there.  This plan has been used a second
>time since Hugo.
>	After the storm, they went back and put in several crossovers for
>any future emergencies.  South Carolina has an emergency coastal evacuation
>plan implemented by the Governor.  Why is this not done in other places?
>The answer is very simple, lack of good political leadership.
>
>Ed K
>Greenville, SC, USA
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Wally Buck
>Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 7:23 AM
>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] New Orleans Flood control problems
>
>I am not sure when you moved to SC but they did this for Hugo. All lanes of
>26 were NORTH! Both my wife and I were wonering why this wasn't done.
>
>Wally
>
>
> >From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] New Orleans Flood control problems
> >Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:41:06 -0400
> >
> >Wrong:  The Red Cross should always beat the National Guard to a 
>disaster.
> >The National Guard is a military organization, not a social relief
> >organization.  Better yet, national religious organizations should also
> >beat
> >the National Guard.  States, Counties and municipalities should have
> >disaster plans.  Obviously, New Orleans, Louisiana and southern 
>Mississippi
> >did not good evacuation plans.  Did you see the pictures of people trying
> >to
> >leave on the northbound interstates?  It was a six-lane road.  Three 
>lanes
> >bumper to bumper trying to get out.  Three lanes with occasional traffic
> >going south.  The proper thing would have been to close all traffic going
> >south and divert traffic going north onto the south bound lanes.  Six 
>lanes
> >out would have expedited the evacuation.  They should have had gas tank
> >trucks filling up cars before they got on so that people who had limited
> >gas
> >could go farther away.  Blame the wimpy and slow to act local and state
> >officials.
> >Now the National Guard and military police are needed to control the
> >situation.  I would hope that they are armed with orders to shot to kill
> >troublemakers.  There is no need to tolerate bad human behavior.  They
> >jeopardize the efforts of good people trying to do good deeds.  Did you 
>see
> >the pictures of all the private fishing boats, bass boats, fan boats,
> >volunteering to assist.  There is good and bad.  This situation is
> >illustrating both.
> >Why is the Federal Government the one to blame about lack of flood 
>control
> >funding.  Why aren't municipal and state governments responsible?  It is
> >because they would have to raise local and state taxes.  Why should 
>people
> >in Minnesota have to pay for flood control in New Orleans?  Facilities 
>and
> >businesses could locate in safer locations, and some have.
> >
> >Oh, hum.
> >Ed Kroposki
> >Greenville, SC, USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of anima13
> >Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:13 AM
> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] New Orleans Flood control funding
> >
> >Yes, Saroj,
> >
> >The Red Cross should never beat the National Guard to a disaster.
> >
> >Anne
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Saroj Gilbert
> >Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 6:55 AM
> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Orleans Flood control funding
> >
> >
> >Interesting piece tying in the impact of the Iraq war with the current
> >disaster in New Orleans:
> >=======================
> >
> >"No One Can Say they Didn't See it Coming"
> >
> >By Sidney Blumenthal
> >
> >In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the
> >three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut 
>New
> >Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.
> >http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,372455,00.html
> >
> >========================
> >
> >This is sickening... I just can't figure out why the streets (or should I
> >say  "streams") of New Orleans and other gulf coastal areas are not 
>swamped
> >(sorry) with U.S. Military handing out food, water, diapers, and other
> >essentials... oh... they're all in Iraq... well I guess the Navy got soft
> >and decided to deploy a ship out of Norfolk yesterday.... hmmm... should
> >arrive in a week?  The way the government has responded to this disaster 
>so
> >far is shameful.  We treat citizens in other countries better than we 
>treat
> >our own.
> >
> >Saroj
> >
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