[Rhodes22-list] Reply to Wally

[Bill Effros]

The only way newspeople (and national guard, and anyone else trying to 
get into the city) could get in was on roads that were open in that 
direction.  Since all the incoming newspeople came in that way, those 
were the only roads they could take pictures of.

Bill Effros

Herb Parsons wrote:

>I was in New Orleans (Slidell) last Saturday as this was all coming to a boil. I don't know what they've done since, but when we left, the interstates WERE all set for "exit only". On I-10 all incoming traffic was closed, and all lanes were used as exits. We left Saturday night, and I-12 leading out of Slidell was not done this way, at least not yet. However, shortly before we got to Baton Rouge, all traffic was diverted off it I-12 and diverted north. This was done because all traffic on both sides of I-12 out of BR was reserved for eastbound only (on that side).
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>So, while it sounds as if they were not as prepared as it sounds SC is now, they did do some of what you folks are talking about.
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>Herb Parsons
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>>>>ekroposki at charter.net 9/2/2005 7:24:01 AM >>>
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>Wally:  
>	I have lived in South Carolina over 30 years.  My daughter worked at
>a hospital in Charleston during Hugo.  When the 9th floor of the building
>started tilting, she evaluated to Greenville.  I personally saw the tree
>damage from Charleston to Charlotte to Boone, NC.  I saw the marine damage
>in Charleston.  I saw the high school where the water line was a few feet
>from the gym ceiling in McClellanville.
>	Governor Carroll Campbell ordered that all lanes off the coast be
>exit lanes or get out of Dodge lanes.  The most obvious was I-26.  It also
>applied to several state highways.  On State highways they shut off the
>traffic lights and posted Highway Patrol or town cops to wave traffic thru.
>Simply put, get the people out of there.  This plan has been used a second
>time since Hugo.
>	After the storm, they went back and put in several crossovers for
>any future emergencies.  South Carolina has an emergency coastal evacuation
>plan implemented by the Governor.  Why is this not done in other places?
>The answer is very simple, lack of good political leadership.  
>	
>Ed K
>Greenville, SC, USA 
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org 
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Wally Buck
>Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 7:23 AM
>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org 
>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] New Orleans Flood control problems
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>I am not sure when you moved to SC but they did this for Hugo. All lanes of 
>26 were NORTH! Both my wife and I were wonering why this wasn't done.
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>Wally
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>>From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] New Orleans Flood control problems
>>Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:41:06 -0400
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>>Wrong:  The Red Cross should always beat the National Guard to a disaster.
>>The National Guard is a military organization, not a social relief
>>organization.  Better yet, national religious organizations should also 
>>beat
>>the National Guard.  States, Counties and municipalities should have
>>disaster plans.  Obviously, New Orleans, Louisiana and southern Mississippi
>>did not good evacuation plans.  Did you see the pictures of people trying 
>>to
>>leave on the northbound interstates?  It was a six-lane road.  Three lanes
>>bumper to bumper trying to get out.  Three lanes with occasional traffic
>>going south.  The proper thing would have been to close all traffic going
>>south and divert traffic going north onto the south bound lanes.  Six lanes
>>out would have expedited the evacuation.  They should have had gas tank
>>trucks filling up cars before they got on so that people who had limited 
>>gas
>>could go farther away.  Blame the wimpy and slow to act local and state
>>officials.
>>Now the National Guard and military police are needed to control the
>>situation.  I would hope that they are armed with orders to shot to kill
>>troublemakers.  There is no need to tolerate bad human behavior.  They
>>jeopardize the efforts of good people trying to do good deeds.  Did you see
>>the pictures of all the private fishing boats, bass boats, fan boats,
>>volunteering to assist.  There is good and bad.  This situation is
>>illustrating both.
>>Why is the Federal Government the one to blame about lack of flood control
>>funding.  Why aren't municipal and state governments responsible?  It is
>>because they would have to raise local and state taxes.  Why should people
>>in Minnesota have to pay for flood control in New Orleans?  Facilities and
>>businesses could locate in safer locations, and some have.
>>
>>Oh, hum.
>>Ed Kroposki
>>Greenville, SC, USA
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org 
>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of anima13
>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:13 AM
>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] New Orleans Flood control funding
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>>Yes, Saroj,
>>
>>The Red Cross should never beat the National Guard to a disaster.
>>
>>Anne
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org 
>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Saroj Gilbert
>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 6:55 AM
>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Orleans Flood control funding
>>
>>
>>Interesting piece tying in the impact of the Iraq war with the current
>>disaster in New Orleans:
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>>"No One Can Say they Didn't See it Coming"
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>>By Sidney Blumenthal
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>>In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the
>>three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New
>>Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.
>>http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,372455,00.html 
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>>This is sickening... I just can't figure out why the streets (or should I
>>say  "streams") of New Orleans and other gulf coastal areas are not swamped
>>(sorry) with U.S. Military handing out food, water, diapers, and other
>>essentials... oh... they're all in Iraq... well I guess the Navy got soft
>>and decided to deploy a ship out of Norfolk yesterday.... hmmm... should
>>arrive in a week?  The way the government has responded to this disaster so
>>far is shameful.  We treat citizens in other countries better than we treat
>>our own.
>>
>>Saroj
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