[Rhodes22-list] Rummies observation

Tue Sep 6 15:21:15 EDT 2005

This would be funny if it weren't so tragic for so many Americans to say 
nothing of so many Iraqis and those of other nations.

Saroj
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rummies observation

> Hank,
>
> Let's not go back to anonymous blogging.  At the very least, let's know 
> where this stuff is coming from.  If you are not the writer, then who is?
>
> Here's one from Andy Borowitz:
>
>
>      Breaking News
>
>
>
>
>
>  EXPERTS CALL BUSH PRESIDENCY WORST DISASTER IN NATION'S HISTORY
>
>
>    Cost of Damage Estimated In The Zillions
>
> Four and a half years after he was first sworn in as president, experts in 
> the field of disaster assessment today called the presidency of George W. 
> Bush the worst disaster in the history of the United States of America.
>
> The sober assessment came from the University of Minnesota's Enormous 
> Disaster Institute, which studies and attempts to quantify colossal 
> disasters, both natural and manmade.
>
> Dr. Lorraine Cresser, who heads the Institute, said that the University of 
> Minnesota experts decided to place the current administration at the top 
> of the nation's list of huge disasters after assessing the damage the 
> White House has caused over the past four and a half years, both at home 
> and abroad.
>
> "After taking a good look at the wreckage the Bush presidency has created, 
> we would estimate the cost of the damage at somewhere in the mid to high 
> zillions," Dr. Cresser said.
>
> Hours after the University of Minnesota released its findings, House 
> Speaker Dennis Hastert said that given the high price tag, rebuilding the 
> Bush presidency "doesn't make sense to me."
>
> Speaking to reporters on Capitol Hill, Rep. Hastert said that based on 
> what he had seen of the Bush presidency lately, "It looks like a lot of it 
> could be bulldozed."
>
> But hours later, the Speaker backtracked somewhat, telling reporters, 
> "Like most Republicans in Congress, I have been drinking very heavily for 
> the past several days."
>
> Elsewhere, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said today that 
> his department would intensify the search for those missing since 
> Hurricane Katrina hit, including Vice President Dick Cheney.
>
>
> <http://www.borowitzreport.com/>
> <http://www.borowitzreport.com/books.asp>
>
>
>
> Bill Effros
>
>
> Hank wrote:
>
>>Brad,
>> I don't know the source of the following, but it ties in very well with 
>> your comments.
>> Hank
>>  Forwarded email:
>> I watched on Dateline last night as some of the 20,000 people at the 
>> civic center in New Orleans lamented that there was no one in charge, no 
>> government authority there to organize. 20,000 people and not one 
>> minister to say remain calm, be civil, let's pray?
>>
>>Not one man strong enough to say let's form a perimeter?
>>20,000 people and not one person with health care experience to say
>>move the weakest
>>people here?
>>Not one business owner in a crowd of 20,000 who had the courage to say 
>>let's put together a group to search for supplies.
>>Not one teacher in the crowd with an idea as to how to keep the
>>children occupied?
>>
>>
>>Not one person who knew how to boil water?
>>20,000 people ... but there was no one there to solve their problem for 
>>them so they descend into anarchy. They blame others because of their
>>color. They make
>>excuses because they believe they are oppressed. They are not responsible 
>>.... because they are not responsible.
>> On 9/6/05, brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>Wally,
>>>
>>>It will be years before NO recovers from this, the
>>>nation as well, and there will be lots of failing
>>>grades passed around when all the investigations are
>>>over. In the meantime, a lot of people are still
>>>suffering and still need our help, and money, or both.
>>>
>>>The last revision of a bad plan from the city of NO
>>>was to make and distribute DVD's before this years
>>>hurricane season, educating the citizens that in the
>>>event of a major hurricane, "you are on your own".
>>>The city plan also included using the city and school
>>>system bus fleet for evacuation but even that wasn't
>>>implemented.
>>>
>>>As we speak, the National Guard is still under command
>>>of the LA governor. If regular military units
>>>step-in, they can engage in relief efforts only, not
>>>law enforcement under the Posse Comitatus Act. Every
>>>FEMA engagement plan assumes that the local
>>>authorities will control the first 72 hours. It is
>>>painfully clear that NO either could not or would not
>>>do that. "Cowboy" Bush could have stepped up to the
>>>plate and taken over the whole operation early-on
>>>through his emergency powers, something no President
>>>has done since Reconstruction.
>>>
>>>Unless we are willing to re-write the constitution
>>>dividing the separations of local/state/federal power,
>>>we have to assume that each level of government will
>>>do their part at the appropriate time. If they can't
>>>or won't, these are the results we get. Tragically
>>>for the citizens of NO, a lot of elected officials
>>>failed to do their part.
>>>
>>>The lesson that should be burning in all our 'noggins'
>>>as we discuss these issues is this: Take
>>>responsibility for you and your family's welfare. Be
>>>a Boy Scout - be prepared.
>>>
>>>Brad
>>>
>>>--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>As always it is hard to figure out the truth. One
>>>>thing for sure I have
>>>>never seen anything like this. It does seems that
>>>>many mistakes were made by
>>>>local, State and Federal officials. You can also
>>>>second guess anyone who had
>>>>the means to leave but stayed. I can't see murder
>>>>charges for officials but
>>>>it does seem that Home Land Security running FEMA is
>>>>a cluster f**k.
>>>>
>>>>Did FEMA really send water back? Was the Guard
>>>>authorization form just
>>>>haning out of a fax machine waiting a signature or
>>>>what? I am not a big Bush
>>>>fan but it is hard for me to believe that the whole
>>>>delay was because Bush
>>>>was chopping wood. Local officials let the people
>>>>down years ago by not
>>>>developing a solid plan. It cost dearly, hopefully
>>>>other areas learn from
>>>>this.
>>>>
>>>>A nice three days sailing! What a weekend.
>>>>
>>>>Wally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>
>>>><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>
>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>
>>>><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rummies observation
>>>>>Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 12:28:38 -0400
>>>>>
>>>>>Nice try, Ed, but it won't wash.
>>>>>
>>>>>1/2 the Louisiana National Guard was in Iraq--along
>>>>>
>>>>with all of their meals
>>>>
>>>>>ready to eat, and most of their equipment. (We
>>>>>
>>>>have now asked your friends
>>>>
>>>>>in France to send us food and water trucks.)
>>>>>
>>>>Walmart immediately sent
>>>>
>>>>>water, but FEMA sent it back saying New Orleans
>>>>>
>>>>didn't need it.
>>>>
>>>>>The Director of Homeland Security and the Head of
>>>>>
>>>>FEMA both said they
>>>>
>>>>>didn't even know there were 15,000 people totally
>>>>>
>>>>at the mercy of roving
>>>>
>>>>>gangs within the New Orleans Convention Center at a
>>>>>
>>>>time when news
>>>>
>>>>>organizations were reporting about it on national
>>>>>
>>>>television from the site.
>>>>
>>>>>The Governor and Mayor immediately called other
>>>>>
>>>>states for help, and the
>>>>
>>>>>other Governors were ready to send, but W. was
>>>>>
>>>>clearing brush in Texas,
>>>>
>>>>>Condi was shopping in NYC, -- (August is a vacation
>>>>>
>>>>month) -- and there was
>>>>
>>>>>no one in DC to authorize the transfer of National
>>>>>
>>>>Guard troops. (You see,
>>>>
>>>>>the states can't just send their armed militias
>>>>>
>>>>into other states, they've
>>>>
>>>>>got to get authorization from the Federal
>>>>>
>>>>Government--which didn't happen.
>>>>
>>>>>And why should it? "I don't think anyone
>>>>>
>>>>anticipated the breach of the
>>>>
>>>>>levees" -- George W. Bush, Good Morning America,
>>>>>
>>>>September 1, 2005.
>>>>
>>>>>The USS Bataan has been moored in the Gulf since
>>>>>
>>>>last Monday, basically
>>>>
>>>>>doing nothing. It can make 100,000 gallons of
>>>>>
>>>>fresh water a day, it has 6
>>>>
>>>>>(unused) operating rooms, and hundreds of (empty)
>>>>>
>>>>hospital beds, it's
>>>>
>>>>>supposed to have helicopters so all these resources
>>>>>
>>>>can be made available
>>>>
>>>>>to people in disaster areas. It aided Tsunami
>>>>>
>>>>victims...
>>>>
>>>>>PUH-leeze.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill Effros
>>>>>
>>>>>PS -- This information comes to me, not from the
>>>>>
>>>>New York Times, but from
>>>>
>>>>>Fox News. Even Mr. Murdoch has had enough. It's
>>>>>
>>>>fine to have an
>>>>
>>>>>orientation, but it's time to take your head out of
>>>>>
>>>>the sand.
>>>>
>>>>>ed kroposki wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Mr. Rummy, You want the Louisiana's Governors
>>>>>>
>>>>head to roll? But she is a
>>>>
>>>>>>liberal democrat! Where are your political
>>>>>>
>>>>loyalties? You know my
>>>>
>>>>>>orientation. The truth is she should have
>>>>>>
>>>>declared
>>>>
>>>>>>martial law the day before the storm. On the day
>>>>>>
>>>>of the storm she had
>>>>
>>>>>>responsibility to call for not only Louisiana
>>>>>>
>>>>National Guard but also out
>>>>
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>state Guard assistance. There was another state
>>>>>>
>>>>Governor that said he had
>>>>
>>>>>>alerted his National Guard and was waiting for a
>>>>>>
>>>>phone call (or any other
>>>>
>>>>>>official method of request). How can you be in
>>>>>>
>>>>agreement with me? This
>>>>
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>impossible. I will one up you. Both she and the
>>>>>>
>>>>Mayor of New Orleans
>>>>
>>>>>>ought to
>>>>>>be tried for murder. I request that you be put on
>>>>>>
>>>>the jury. People were
>>>>
>>>>>>officially told to go to the Superdome and
>>>>>>
>>>>convention center and no
>>>>
>>>>>>security
>>>>>>was in place. That was a major abdication of
>>>>>>
>>>>responsibility.
>>>>
>>>>>>I have no problem holding those who accept high
>>>>>>
>>>>political office to
>>>>
>>>>>>a high standard or even just a reasonable
>>>>>>
>>>>standard. Why are you on the
>>>>
>>>>>>list, if I lived where you do, I would have been
>>>>>>out in that cool breeze.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ed K
>>>>>>Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
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>>>>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>>>>
>>>>Behalf Of
>>>>
>>>>>>R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>>>>>Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 8:43 AM
>>>>>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Katrina see
>>>>>>
>>>>latest track
>>>>
>>>>>>Thena,
>>>>>>It is sooooo good to hear from you. I have been
>>>>>>
>>>>traveling for a family
>>>>
>>>>>>members wedding and just returned. The highest gas
>>>>>>
>>>>price we saw was $3.41
>>>>
>>>>>>per gallon. It was really frustrating watching
>>>>>>
>>>>the news and seeing all
>>>>
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>people sitting around and nothing being done.
>>>>>>
>>>>Some political heads are
>>>>
>>>>>>going to
>>>>>>roll for this fiasco, starting with the
>>>>>>
>>>>governor's.
>>>>
>>>>>>Rummy
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