[Rhodes22-list] Rummies observation

Mark Kaynor mkaynor at gmail.com
Tue Sep 6 15:36:00 EDT 2005 

Like that old Russian proverb - "Pray to God, but row for the shore"
 
Mark


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[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 2:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rummies observation

Bill,
 My first line was:
 "I don't know the source of the following, but it ties in very well with
your comments."
 If you need lessons on understanding english, check your local community
center. 
 I wish I had thought of it and wrote it. I agree with it wholeheartedly. It
all goes to the premise of personal responsibility and doing the right
thing. Many of the folks down there wailed about their situation and
expected someone to come do something for them. They should expect help, but
until it arrives, they should do the best they can to help themselves, not
sit around and complain. 
 Hank

 On 9/6/05, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote: 
> 
> Hank,
> 
> Let's not go back to anonymous blogging. At the very least, let's know 
> where this stuff is coming from. If you are not the writer, then who is?
> 
> Here's one from Andy Borowitz:
> 
> 
> Breaking News
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> EXPERTS CALL BUSH PRESIDENCY WORST DISASTER IN NATION'S HISTORY
> 
> 
> Cost of Damage Estimated In The Zillions
> 
> Four and a half years after he was first sworn in as president, 
> experts in the field of disaster assessment today called the 
> presidency of George W. Bush the worst disaster in the history of the 
> United States of America.
> 
> The sober assessment came from the University of Minnesota's Enormous 
> Disaster Institute, which studies and attempts to quantify colossal 
> disasters, both natural and manmade.
> 
> Dr. Lorraine Cresser, who heads the Institute, said that the 
> University of Minnesota experts decided to place the current 
> administration at the top of the nation's list of huge disasters after 
> assessing the damage the White House has caused over the past four and 
> a half years, both at home and abroad.
> 
> "After taking a good look at the wreckage the Bush presidency has 
> created, we would estimate the cost of the damage at somewhere in the 
> mid to high zillions," Dr. Cresser said.
> 
> Hours after the University of Minnesota released its findings, House 
> Speaker Dennis Hastert said that given the high price tag, rebuilding 
> the Bush presidency "doesn't make sense to me."
> 
> Speaking to reporters on Capitol Hill, Rep. Hastert said that based on 
> what he had seen of the Bush presidency lately, "It looks like a lot 
> of it could be bulldozed."
> 
> But hours later, the Speaker backtracked somewhat, telling reporters, 
> "Like most Republicans in Congress, I have been drinking very heavily 
> for the past several days."
> 
> Elsewhere, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said today 
> that his department would intensify the search for those missing since 
> Hurricane Katrina hit, including Vice President Dick Cheney.
> 
> 
> 
> <http://www.borowitzreport.com/>
> <http://www.borowitzreport.com/books.asp>
> 
> 
> 
> Bill Effros
> 
> 
> Hank wrote:
> 
> >Brad,
> > I don't know the source of the following, but it ties in very well 
> >with your comments.
> > Hank
> > Forwarded email:
> > I watched on Dateline last night as some of the 20,000 people at the
> civic
> >center in New Orleans lamented that there was no one in charge, no 
> >government authority there to organize.
> >
> >20,000 people and not one minister to say remain calm, be civil, 
> >let's
> pray?
> >
> >
> >Not one man strong enough to say let's form a perimeter?
> >
> >20,000 people and not one person with health care experience to say 
> >move the weakest people here?
> >
> >Not one business owner in a crowd of 20,000 who had the courage to 
> >say
> let's
> >put together a group to search for supplies.
> >
> >Not one teacher in the crowd with an idea as to how to keep the 
> >children occupied?
> >
> >
> >Not one person who knew how to boil water?
> >
> >20,000 people ... but there was no one there to solve their problem 
> >for
> them
> >so they descend into anarchy. They blame others because of their 
> >color. They make excuses because they believe they are oppressed. 
> >They are not responsible .... because they are not responsible.
> >
> > On 9/6/05, brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Wally,
> >>
> >>It will be years before NO recovers from this, the nation as well, 
> >>and there will be lots of failing grades passed around when all the 
> >>investigations are over. In the meantime, a lot of people are still 
> >>suffering and still need our help, and money, or both.
> >>
> >>The last revision of a bad plan from the city of NO was to make and 
> >>distribute DVD's before this years hurricane season, educating the 
> >>citizens that in the event of a major hurricane, "you are on your 
> >>own".
> >>The city plan also included using the city and school system bus 
> >>fleet for evacuation but even that wasn't implemented.
> >>
> >>As we speak, the National Guard is still under command of the LA 
> >>governor. If regular military units step-in, they can engage in 
> >>relief efforts only, not law enforcement under the Posse Comitatus 
> >>Act. Every FEMA engagement plan assumes that the local authorities 
> >>will control the first 72 hours. It is painfully clear that NO 
> >>either could not or would not do that. "Cowboy" Bush could have 
> >>stepped up to the plate and taken over the whole operation early-on 
> >>through his emergency powers, something no President has done since 
> >>Reconstruction.
> >>
> >>Unless we are willing to re-write the constitution dividing the 
> >>separations of local/state/federal power, we have to assume that 
> >>each level of government will do their part at the appropriate time. 
> >>If they can't or won't, these are the results we get. Tragically for 
> >>the citizens of NO, a lot of elected officials failed to do their 
> >>part.
> >>
> >>The lesson that should be burning in all our 'noggins'
> >>as we discuss these issues is this: Take responsibility for you and 
> >>your family's welfare. Be a Boy Scout - be prepared.
> >>
> >>Brad
> >>
> >>--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>As always it is hard to figure out the truth. One thing for sure I 
> >>>have never seen anything like this. It does seems that many 
> >>>mistakes were made by local, State and Federal officials. You can 
> >>>also second guess anyone who had the means to leave but stayed. I 
> >>>can't see murder charges for officials but it does seem that Home 
> >>>Land Security running FEMA is a cluster f**k.
> >>>
> >>>Did FEMA really send water back? Was the Guard authorization form 
> >>>just haning out of a fax machine waiting a signature or what? I am 
> >>>not a big Bush fan but it is hard for me to believe that the whole 
> >>>delay was because Bush was chopping wood. Local officials let the 
> >>>people down years ago by not developing a solid plan. It cost 
> >>>dearly, hopefully other areas learn from this.
> >>>
> >>>A nice three days sailing! What a weekend.
> >>>
> >>>Wally
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> >>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rummies observation
> >>>>Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 12:28:38 -0400
> >>>>
> >>>>Nice try, Ed, but it won't wash.
> >>>>
> >>>>1/2 the Louisiana National Guard was in Iraq--along
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>with all of their meals
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>ready to eat, and most of their equipment. (We
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>have now asked your friends
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>in France to send us food and water trucks.)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Walmart immediately sent
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>water, but FEMA sent it back saying New Orleans
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>didn't need it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>The Director of Homeland Security and the Head of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>FEMA both said they
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>didn't even know there were 15,000 people totally
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>at the mercy of roving
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>gangs within the New Orleans Convention Center at a
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>time when news
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>organizations were reporting about it on national
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>television from the site.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>The Governor and Mayor immediately called other
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>states for help, and the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>other Governors were ready to send, but W. was
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>clearing brush in Texas,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Condi was shopping in NYC, -- (August is a vacation
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>month) -- and there was
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>no one in DC to authorize the transfer of National
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Guard troops. (You see,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>the states can't just send their armed militias
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>into other states, they've
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>got to get authorization from the Federal
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Government--which didn't happen.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>And why should it? "I don't think anyone
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>anticipated the breach of the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>levees" -- George W. Bush, Good Morning America,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>September 1, 2005.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>The USS Bataan has been moored in the Gulf since
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>last Monday, basically
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>doing nothing. It can make 100,000 gallons of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>fresh water a day, it has 6
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>(unused) operating rooms, and hundreds of (empty)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>hospital beds, it's
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>supposed to have helicopters so all these resources
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>can be made available
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>to people in disaster areas. It aided Tsunami
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>victims...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>PUH-leeze.
> >>>>
> >>>>Bill Effros
> >>>>
> >>>>PS -- This information comes to me, not from the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>New York Times, but from
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Fox News. Even Mr. Murdoch has had enough. It's
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>fine to have an
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>orientation, but it's time to take your head out of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>the sand.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>ed kroposki wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Mr. Rummy, You want the Louisiana's Governors
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>head to roll? But she is a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>liberal democrat! Where are your political
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>loyalties? You know my
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>orientation. The truth is she should have
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>declared
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>martial law the day before the storm. On the day
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>of the storm she had
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>responsibility to call for not only Louisiana
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>National Guard but also out
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>of
> >>>>>state Guard assistance. There was another state
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>Governor that said he had
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>alerted his National Guard and was waiting for a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>phone call (or any other
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>official method of request). How can you be in
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>agreement with me? This
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>is
> >>>>>impossible. I will one up you. Both she and the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>Mayor of New Orleans
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>ought to
> >>>>>be tried for murder. I request that you be put on
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>the jury. People were
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>officially told to go to the Superdome and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>convention center and no
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>security
> >>>>>was in place. That was a major abdication of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>responsibility.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>I have no problem holding those who accept high
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>political office to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>a high standard or even just a reasonable
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>standard. Why are you on the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>list, if I lived where you do, I would have been out in that cool 
> >>>>>breeze.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Ed K
> >>>>>Greenville, SC, USA
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >>>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>Behalf Of
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >>>>>Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 8:43 AM
> >>>>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Katrina see
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>latest track
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>Thena,
> >>>>>It is sooooo good to hear from you. I have been
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>traveling for a family
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>members wedding and just returned. The highest gas
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>price we saw was $3.41
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>per gallon. It was really frustrating watching
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>the news and seeing all
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>people sitting around and nothing being done.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>Some political heads are
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>going to
> >>>>>roll for this fiasco, starting with the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>governor's.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>Rummy
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