[Rhodes22-list] Blame the
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Fri Sep 9 18:00:36 EDT 2005
Herb,
Sorry. It's a peculiarity of the English language. I know you didn't
say "Brownie, you're doin' a heck of a job." W. said that last Friday.
You said "Why is it 'Bush's fault'". What I meant to say was that I
think that when someone says a person he has appointed is doing a good
job, when virtually everyone else thinks he is doing a poor job, that
the person who appointed the person doing the poor job must get some of
the responsibility for the poor performance. It is that person's fault
that a bad job is being done. Apparently, you disagree, and think that
it is not the President's fault because the person he appointed is doing
a bad job, nor is it the President's fault if he commends the person
doing the bad job, and says he thinks that person is doing a good job.
It would seem that the President is now waffling on that point. How
about you? Sorry about the confusion. I will try to be more careful in
the future.
Bill Effros
Herb Parsons wrote:
>You ass, I never said anyone was doing "one heck of a job", even though lots of people are. You again demonstrate your desire and willingness to mislead and mis-state to suit your purposes.
>
>Herb Parsons
>
>S/V O'Jure
> 1976 O'Day 25
> Lake Grapevine, N TX
>
>S/V Reve de Papa
> 1971 Coronado 35
> Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
>
>
>
>>>>bill at effros.com 9/9/2005 1:34:40 PM >>>
>>>>
>>>>
>Too bad. According to Herb (who is on-site) and W. (who personally flew
>over at a height of 2000 feet) Brownie was doing one heck of a job. I,
>for one, am sure glad these decisions are not being made for political
>purposes.
>
>Bill Effros
>
>Bill Effros
>
>Bradley, David wrote:
>
>
>
>>Just came over the wires - Brown is out.
>>
>>David Bradley
>>Senior Vice President
>>Field Marketing and Industry Business Development
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>SAP Global Marketing, Inc.
>>>
>>>95 Morton Street
>>>New York, NY 10014
>>>T 212.653.9592
>>>M 203.809.6878
>>>E david.bradley at sap.com
>>><<http://www.sap.com>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]
>>Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 1:59 PM
>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list; rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>Subject: Re: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Blame the
>>
>>Herb,
>>
>>Are you intentionally missing the point for political purposes?
>>
>>The disaster response was mismanaged. Thousands of Americans died as a
>>result. If the failures are
>>covered up rather than examined they cannot be corrected. This is not a
>>political issue. The only thing
>>that matters is that FEMA be improved to operate more effectively next
>>time. We could start by
>>replacing Mr. Michael Brown, the fellow appointed by the President
>>despite the fact that he has who
>>no disaster management experience, with an experienced professional. If
>>you dispute this claim
>>about Mr. Brown's lack of experience just access the FEMA website and
>>read his resume.
>>
>>Hugh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>Date: 2005/09/09 Fri PM 01:02:26 EDT
>>>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Blame the
>>>
>>>Sorry Bill, your attempts to turn this to your political agenda is
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>wrong. Most of it was an act of God,
>>the majority of the rest is an act of people that didn't believe what
>>they were told, and chose to stay
>>(many are STILL making that choice). I've never seen so many bull-headed
>>people so determined to
>>fulfill there own political agenda's on the graves of these poor people.
>>At the risk of sounding
>>personal, your attitude and comments disgust me.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Herb Parsons
>>>
>>>S/V O'Jure
>>> 1976 O'Day 25
>>> Lake Grapevine, N TX
>>>
>>>S/V Reve de Papa
>>> 1971 Coronado 35
>>> Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>bill at effros.com 9/7/2005 11:50:56 AM >>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>Wally,
>>>
>>>The death and destruction unfolding on the Gulf Coast is not an "Act
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>of
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>God", and I'm going to speak up when anyone tries to shift the
>>>responsibility for this ongoing tragedy from our federal government
>>>either to God or to the victims.
>>>
>>>The killing damage was not done by the hurricane in New Orleans. The
>>>center of the hurricane narrowly missed to the East. Gulfport was
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>flattened.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>The killing damage in New Orleans happened as a result of Federally
>>>built levees, designed to withstand Category 3 storms, failing, and
>>>allowing the city to fill with water. The Federal Government then
>>>failed to understand that a catastrophe far worse than any hurricane
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>was
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>in the process of unfolding.
>>>
>>>You may remember the discussion on this list about the Army Corps of
>>>Engineers saying the water was going to be no problem--that as soon as
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>the level of the lake water fell below the level of the levee, New
>>>Orleans would naturally drain right back out into the lake. Just
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>don't
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>plug up the holes. I said that was stupid then. Is there anyone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>today
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>who wants to argue that it was smart?
>>>
>>>The citizens of New Orleans, along with virtually all of their
>>>politicians, begged the federal government to strengthen the levees
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>for
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>30 years prior to this collapse. The Federal government actually
>>>reduced the amount of money, and refused to upgrade the levees.
>>>
>>>This is a political disaster, not a natural disaster, although the
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Swift
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Boat Captains are already out there, trying to rearrange the facts to
>>>fit their politics.
>>>
>>>More Americans will die as a result of this man made disaster than
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>die in Afghanistan, Iraq and 9/11 combined. I have many friends in
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>New
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Orleans who still have not been heard from. We all hope they just
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>have
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>been too busy to call any of us who were out, or who got out.
>>>
>>>When a judge ruled after 10 years that a feeding tube could legally be
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>pulled out of Terri Schiavo, the entire Republican Political machine
>>>hopped on airplanes, interrupted vacations, passed legislation, and
>>>attempted to "save" that one life.
>>>
>>>When perhaps 10,000 people in New Orleans were dying, President Bush
>>>never left his ranch except for fund raisers, Congress did not
>>>reconvene, Dick Cheney never left his ranch at all, Condeleeza Rice
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>went
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>to see "Spamalot", emergency powers were not invoked, FEMA didn't even
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>know what was going on, and made the problem worse by turning away
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>help
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>that was offered, saying it was not needed, no one asked for
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>aircraft...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>And then, Our President told the head of the Federal Agency who he had
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>appointed to be in charge of Federal Emergency Management "Brownie,
>>>you're doin' a heck of a job!"
>>>
>>>Wally, I am mad as hell. I don't think either my politics or my
>>>judgment is clouded. My friends are dying, and our government is
>>>spending more time trying to cloud your judgment, than it is trying to
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>address the issues. If Herb, or Brad, or Ed, or anyone else tries to
>>>shift the responsibility for this tragedy from the government that
>>>actually created it, to the victims who are still literally fighting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>for
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>their lives, they're going to hear from me.
>>>
>>>I think of you as a fair minded person who weighs all sides of issues.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>If you are confused on this issue, and think that it is my judgment
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>that
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>is clouded, then I must address that. I'm not mad at you.
>>>
>>>Our President said on national television, 3 days after the levees
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>broke:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>"I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees."
>>>
>>>That is catastrophic, tragic, stupidity. It is obviously not true on
>>>the face of it. It is the mark of a government that takes no
>>>responsibility for any failed policy or action.
>>>
>>>MY judgment is clouded by my politics? I don't think so.
>>>
>>>Bill Effros
>>>
>>>
>>>Wally Buck wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Bill,
>>>>
>>>>Often I agree with you, sometimes I don't. Your politics are
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>clouding
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>your judgement. This is a Natural Disaster. Try to keep that in
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>mind.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>This is not the man trying to keep the poor down. Barbara Bush's
>>>>comment could be misread by those trying to do so. My take; she was
>>>>commenting that for many they are trying to look at the bright side.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>They were coming from a less than ideal situation and were hopeful
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>change might help them. It looked to me like she was trying tio
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>help.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>It does seem the the guy running FEMA was in no way qualified for
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>his
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>job.
>>>>
>>>>Wally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Blame the Victims
>>>>>Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:04:54 -0400
>>>>>
>>>>>Wally,
>>>>>
>>>>>The campaign to blame the victims is ramping up. Especially if the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>victims are poor and black. The nearby predominantly white city of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>Chalmette was also wiped out. Gulfport's evacuation plan didn't
>>>>>work, either. Biloxi's didn't work. (For that matter, the Key
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>West
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>Evacuation plan never works, and just remains a bad joke.) St.
>>>>>Bernard Parish still hasn't received any Federal help:
>>>>>
>>>>>"This is Day 8, guys. Everything was diverted first to New Orleans,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>we understand that. But do you realize we got 18 to 20 feet of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>water
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>from the storm, and we've still got 7 to 8 feet of water?" said Ron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>Silva, a district fire chief. "If you had dropped a bomb on this
>>>>>place, it couldn't be any worse than this."
>>>>>
>>>>>"Aaron Broussard, president of Jefferson Parish near New Orleans
>>>>>sobbing, told of an emergency management official receiving phone
>>>>>calls from his mother, who, trapped in a nursing home, pleaded day
>>>>>after day for rescue. Assured by federal officials, the man
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>promised
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>her repeatedly that help was on the way.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Every day she called him and said, "Are you coming, son? Is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>somebody
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>coming?' " Mr. Broussard said. "And he said, 'Yeah, Mama,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>somebody's
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>coming to get you.' Somebody's coming to get you on Tuesday.
>>>>>Somebody's coming to get you on Wednesday. Somebody's coming to get
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>you on Thursday. Somebody's coming to get you on Friday. And she
>>>>>drowned Friday night. She drowned Friday night."
>>>>>
>>>>>Look at identical pictures of people wading through flood waters
>>>>>holding food--the caption under the black guy's picture is "Looters
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>Running Rampant in New Orleans" the caption under the white guy's
>>>>>picture is "Residents Finding Food to Stay Alive".
>>>>>
>>>>>And now this news from Barbara Bush:
>>>>>
>>>>>"What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality and so many
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged
>>>>>anyway, so this is working very well for them."
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill Effros
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>brad haslett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Wally,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It will be years before NO recovers from this, the
>>>>>>nation as well, and there will be lots of failing
>>>>>>grades passed around when all the investigations are
>>>>>>over. In the meantime, a lot of people are still
>>>>>>suffering and still need our help, and money, or both.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The last revision of a bad plan from the city of NO
>>>>>>was to make and distribute DVD's before this years
>>>>>>hurricane season, educating the citizens that in the
>>>>>>event of a major hurricane, "you are on your own". The city plan
>>>>>>also included using the city and school
>>>>>>system bus fleet for evacuation but even that wasn't
>>>>>>implemented.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As we speak, the National Guard is still under command
>>>>>>of the LA governor. If regular military units
>>>>>>step-in, they can engage in relief efforts only, not
>>>>>>law enforcement under the Posse Comitatus Act. Every
>>>>>>FEMA engagement plan assumes that the local
>>>>>>authorities will control the first 72 hours. It is
>>>>>>painfully clear that NO either could not or would not
>>>>>>do that. "Cowboy" Bush could have stepped up to the
>>>>>>plate and taken over the whole operation early-on
>>>>>>through his emergency powers, something no President
>>>>>>has done since Reconstruction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Unless we are willing to re-write the constitution
>>>>>>dividing the separations of local/state/federal power,
>>>>>>we have to assume that each level of government will
>>>>>>do their part at the appropriate time. If they can't
>>>>>>or won't, these are the results we get. Tragically
>>>>>>for the citizens of NO, a lot of elected officials
>>>>>>failed to do their part.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The lesson that should be burning in all our 'noggins'
>>>>>>as we discuss these issues is this: Take
>>>>>>responsibility for you and your family's welfare. Be
>>>>>>a Boy Scout - be prepared.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As always it is hard to figure out the truth. One
>>>>>>>thing for sure I have never seen anything like this. It does
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>seems
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>many mistakes were made by local, State and Federal officials.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>You
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>can also
>>>>>>>second guess anyone who had the means to leave but stayed. I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>can't
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>see murder
>>>>>>>charges for officials but it does seem that Home Land Security
>>>>>>>running FEMA is
>>>>>>>a cluster f**k.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Did FEMA really send water back? Was the Guard
>>>>>>>authorization form just haning out of a fax machine waiting a
>>>>>>>signature or
>>>>>>>what? I am not a big Bush fan but it is hard for me to believe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>that
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>the whole
>>>>>>>delay was because Bush was chopping wood. Local officials let the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>people
>>>>>>>down years ago by not developing a solid plan. It cost dearly,
>>>>>>>hopefully
>>>>>>>other areas learn from this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>A nice three days sailing! What a weekend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Wally
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rummies observation
>>>>>>>>Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 12:28:38 -0400
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Nice try, Ed, but it won't wash.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>1/2 the Louisiana National Guard was in Iraq--along
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>with all of their meals
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>ready to eat, and most of their equipment. (We
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>have now asked your friends
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>in France to send us food and water trucks.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Walmart immediately sent
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>water, but FEMA sent it back saying New Orleans
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>didn't need it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The Director of Homeland Security and the Head of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>FEMA both said they
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>didn't even know there were 15,000 people totally
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>at the mercy of roving
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>gangs within the New Orleans Convention Center at a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>time when news
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>organizations were reporting about it on national
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>television from the site.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The Governor and Mayor immediately called other
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>states for help, and the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>other Governors were ready to send, but W. was
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>clearing brush in Texas,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Condi was shopping in NYC, -- (August is a vacation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>month) -- and there was
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>no one in DC to authorize the transfer of National
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Guard troops. (You see,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>the states can't just send their armed militias
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>into other states, they've
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>got to get authorization from the Federal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Government--which didn't happen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And why should it? "I don't think anyone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>anticipated the breach of the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>levees" -- George W. Bush, Good Morning America,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>September 1, 2005.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The USS Bataan has been moored in the Gulf since
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>last Monday, basically
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>doing nothing. It can make 100,000 gallons of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>fresh water a day, it has 6
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>(unused) operating rooms, and hundreds of (empty)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>hospital beds, it's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>supposed to have helicopters so all these resources
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>can be made available
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to people in disaster areas. It aided Tsunami
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>victims...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>PUH-leeze.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>PS -- This information comes to me, not from the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>New York Times, but from
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Fox News. Even Mr. Murdoch has had enough. It's
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>fine to have an
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>orientation, but it's time to take your head out of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>the sand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>ed kroposki wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Mr. Rummy, You want the Louisiana's Governors
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>head to roll? But she is a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>liberal democrat! Where are your political
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>loyalties? You know my
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>orientation. The truth is she should have
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>declared
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>martial law the day before the storm. On the day
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>of the storm she had
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>responsibility to call for not only Louisiana
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>National Guard but also out
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>state Guard assistance. There was another state
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Governor that said he had
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>alerted his National Guard and was waiting for a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>phone call (or any other
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>official method of request). How can you be in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>agreement with me? This
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>impossible. I will one up you. Both she and the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mayor of New Orleans
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>ought to
>>>>>>>>>be tried for murder. I request that you be put on
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>the jury. People were
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>officially told to go to the Superdome and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>convention center and no
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>security
>>>>>>>>>was in place. That was a major abdication of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>responsibility.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have no problem holding those who accept high
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>political office to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>a high standard or even just a reasonable
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>standard. Why are you on the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>list, if I lived where you do, I would have been
>>>>>>>>>out in that cool breeze.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Ed K
>>>>>>>>>Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Behalf Of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 8:43 AM
>>>>>>>>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Katrina see
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>latest track
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Thena,
>>>>>>>>>It is sooooo good to hear from you. I have been
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>traveling for a family
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>members wedding and just returned. The highest gas
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>price we saw was $3.41
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>per gallon. It was really frustrating watching
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>the news and seeing all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>people sitting around and nothing being done.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Some political heads are
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>going to
>>>>>>>>>roll for this fiasco, starting with the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>governor's.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Rummy
>>>>>>>>>__________________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>__________________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>__________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>______________________________________________________
>>>>>>Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
>>>>>>http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/
>>>>>>__________________________________________________
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