P-Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Mr. Rummy on Sept 20, 2005.

[Herb Parsons]

Yeah Bill, that's exactly what Rik said. My my my, you read so well.

I suppose sometime in the future, you'll apologize and say "That's not what I meant".

I've argued with Ed off-list from time to time, but now I realize I was wrong.

You're an ass.

Herb Parsons

S/V O'Jure
  1976 O'Day 25
  Lake Grapevine, N TX

S/V Reve de Papa
  1971 Coronado 35
  Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
>>> bill at effros.com 09/21/05 9:47 AM >>>
Wow, Rik,

Nobody calls you a compassionate conservative, do they?

Let's see, you've chopped a hole through your roof so you can escape 
from your house after a levee breaks and floods 80% of one of the 
largest cities in the United States.  3 days later somebody shows up in 
a helicopter to rescue you--no, wait, I want to swim downstairs to make 
a few dozen peanut butter sandwiches for my family...just hover there 
for a second...why didn't I think of that earlier?

And what about those people who didn't have the foresight to bring jet 
fuel to the airport?  What's wrong with them?  I always bring jet fuel 
along when I travel...just in case.  You never know.

Everybody knew the levee was going to break some day.  If they didn't 
plan for it in advance, fuck em.

And what about those idiots in Galveston putting a city on a barrier 
island?  If Rita flattens it, let's not even talk about rebuilding--that 
proposition should be off the table.  We'll teach them to become more 
self-sufficient, too.

Bill Effros



Rik Sandberg wrote:

> Wally,
>
> There you go, I think you hit it right on the head.
>
> ___________
> You said: "I have heard from the media that the people were told to 
> bring food and basic supplies to the Superdome. I don't know about you 
> but i can't even go to the lake for a day without bring a sandwich and 
> some water or a cold beer or two."
> ___________
>
> I think many of the people who ended up in the superdome or the 
> convention center are the very same people that we have trained to not 
> be able to take care of themselves. The Gov't pretty much provides 
> everything they need during normal times. I suppose it follows that 
> they would all expect the same during a hurricane. I don't suppose it 
> even occurred to many of them that some of the services they have all 
> the time might be interrupted.
>
> Like you, for me it would just seem like good common sense to have the 
> makings for enough peanut butter sandwiches (or something) and water 
> to last a week or so while I was trying to get out of town. Really, if 
> one is paying attention at all, how many times does a hurricane hit an 
> area (any area) where the power and other services aren't down for at 
> least a week??
>
> I think one of the best things we could do for most of these folks in 
> the future would be to wean them from their dependence on the gov't 
> and teach them how to think for themselves. Some of the things I saw 
> on the news were just pathetic. Perfectly able bodied people who 
> hadn't been in their situation for 2 days yet, bawling about how they 
> were starving and had no water.
>
> And, shame on the media for picking these people out of the crowd to 
> sensationalize their situation. A situation that ANYBODY with half a 
> lick of sense would have handled by simply going to the grocery store 
> on Thursday, Friday, Saturday or, if you were dragging your feet, even 
> Sunday. It's not like there were no warnings that this storm was coming!!
>
> Rik
>
>
> Wally Buck wrote:
>
>> Ed,
>>
>> I think Rummy is saying FOX news leans right That being said all the 
>> media seemed to be on the same page.
>>
>> I have heard from the media that the people were told to bring food 
>> and basic supplies to the Superdome. I don't know about you but i 
>> can't even go to the lake for a day without bring a sandwich and some 
>> water or a cold beer or two.
>>
>> Wally
>>
>>
>>> From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Mr. Rummy on Sept 20, 2005.
>>> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:46:27 -0400
>>>
>>> Mr. Rummy,
>>>
>>>       Ah, we agree on a few points.  You said, "These people were 
>>> told to go
>>> to a safe haven and then left without the means to be taken care 
>>> of."  Then
>>> we all would like the truth to the answer to the question, 'who told 
>>> them to
>>> go there'.  In addition, 'who was responsible for safety and 
>>> sustenance?'
>>>
>>> I question all media, some more than others.  You stated, "but even 
>>> Fox news
>>> was showing the same things".  Are you telling us that Fox is the 
>>> criterion
>>> for truth?  Are you saying that Fox is the most truthful of the lot?
>>>
>>> Lost in the rubric was a previous event that used the Superdome and 
>>> found
>>> that it was completely lacking and destined for disaster.  However, 
>>> FEMA and
>>> the Federal government are not the responsible governmental 
>>> entities.  Our
>>> Federal system places the responsibility first on the States in this 
>>> type
>>> situation.
>>>
>>> Understand that I am not saying that the Fed's and FEMA did a good job.
>>> This whole episode was aggravated by the levees breaking.  As you 
>>> said and I
>>> agree with you, "somebody's really screwed up and they should pay 
>>> the price
>>> for such incompetence. These people were told to go to a safe haven 
>>> and then
>>> left without the means to be taken care of."
>>>
>>> Ed K
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