P-Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Mr. Rummy on Sept 20, 2005.

Wed Sep 21 13:08:25 EDT 2005

Now that was succinct and to the point. Well said, Herb.
 Hank

 On 9/21/05, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah Bill, that's exactly what Rik said. My my my, you read so well.
>
> I suppose sometime in the future, you'll apologize and say "That's not
> what I meant".
>
> I've argued with Ed off-list from time to time, but now I realize I was
> wrong.
>
> You're an ass.
>
> Herb Parsons
>
> S/V O'Jure
> 1976 O'Day 25
> Lake Grapevine, N TX
>
> S/V Reve de Papa
> 1971 Coronado 35
> Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
> >>> bill at effros.com 09/21/05 9:47 AM >>>
> Wow, Rik,
>
> Nobody calls you a compassionate conservative, do they?
>
> Let's see, you've chopped a hole through your roof so you can escape
> from your house after a levee breaks and floods 80% of one of the
> largest cities in the United States. 3 days later somebody shows up in
> a helicopter to rescue you--no, wait, I want to swim downstairs to make
> a few dozen peanut butter sandwiches for my family...just hover there
> for a second...why didn't I think of that earlier?
>
> And what about those people who didn't have the foresight to bring jet
> fuel to the airport? What's wrong with them? I always bring jet fuel
> along when I travel...just in case. You never know.
>
> Everybody knew the levee was going to break some day. If they didn't
> plan for it in advance, fuck em.
>
> And what about those idiots in Galveston putting a city on a barrier
> island? If Rita flattens it, let's not even talk about rebuilding--that
> proposition should be off the table. We'll teach them to become more
> self-sufficient, too.
>
> Bill Effros
>
>
>
> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>
> > Wally,
> >
> > There you go, I think you hit it right on the head.
> >
> > ___________
> > You said: "I have heard from the media that the people were told to
> > bring food and basic supplies to the Superdome. I don't know about you
> > but i can't even go to the lake for a day without bring a sandwich and
> > some water or a cold beer or two."
> > ___________
> >
> > I think many of the people who ended up in the superdome or the
> > convention center are the very same people that we have trained to not
> > be able to take care of themselves. The Gov't pretty much provides
> > everything they need during normal times. I suppose it follows that
> > they would all expect the same during a hurricane. I don't suppose it
> > even occurred to many of them that some of the services they have all
> > the time might be interrupted.
> >
> > Like you, for me it would just seem like good common sense to have the
> > makings for enough peanut butter sandwiches (or something) and water
> > to last a week or so while I was trying to get out of town. Really, if
> > one is paying attention at all, how many times does a hurricane hit an
> > area (any area) where the power and other services aren't down for at
> > least a week??
> >
> > I think one of the best things we could do for most of these folks in
> > the future would be to wean them from their dependence on the gov't
> > and teach them how to think for themselves. Some of the things I saw
> > on the news were just pathetic. Perfectly able bodied people who
> > hadn't been in their situation for 2 days yet, bawling about how they
> > were starving and had no water.
> >
> > And, shame on the media for picking these people out of the crowd to
> > sensationalize their situation. A situation that ANYBODY with half a
> > lick of sense would have handled by simply going to the grocery store
> > on Thursday, Friday, Saturday or, if you were dragging your feet, even
> > Sunday. It's not like there were no warnings that this storm was
> coming!!
> >
> > Rik
> >
> >
> > Wally Buck wrote:
> >
> >> Ed,
> >>
> >> I think Rummy is saying FOX news leans right That being said all the
> >> media seemed to be on the same page.
> >>
> >> I have heard from the media that the people were told to bring food
> >> and basic supplies to the Superdome. I don't know about you but i
> >> can't even go to the lake for a day without bring a sandwich and some
> >> water or a cold beer or two.
> >>
> >> Wally
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net>
> >>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Mr. Rummy on Sept 20, 2005.
> >>> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:46:27 -0400
> >>>
> >>> Mr. Rummy,
> >>>
> >>> Ah, we agree on a few points. You said, "These people were
> >>> told to go
> >>> to a safe haven and then left without the means to be taken care
> >>> of." Then
> >>> we all would like the truth to the answer to the question, 'who told
> >>> them to
> >>> go there'. In addition, 'who was responsible for safety and
> >>> sustenance?'
> >>>
> >>> I question all media, some more than others. You stated, "but even
> >>> Fox news
> >>> was showing the same things". Are you telling us that Fox is the
> >>> criterion
> >>> for truth? Are you saying that Fox is the most truthful of the lot?
> >>>
> >>> Lost in the rubric was a previous event that used the Superdome and
> >>> found
> >>> that it was completely lacking and destined for disaster. However,
> >>> FEMA and
> >>> the Federal government are not the responsible governmental
> >>> entities. Our
> >>> Federal system places the responsibility first on the States in this
> >>> type
> >>> situation.
> >>>
> >>> Understand that I am not saying that the Fed's and FEMA did a good
> job.
> >>> This whole episode was aggravated by the levees breaking. As you
> >>> said and I
> >>> agree with you, "somebody's really screwed up and they should pay
> >>> the price
> >>> for such incompetence. These people were told to go to a safe haven
> >>> and then
> >>> left without the means to be taken care of."
> >>>
> >>> Ed K
> >>>
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