[Rhodes22-list] P-Horse shit and drinking.

[brad haslett]

Bill,

Cheer up!  Sometimes those kids from the sticks learn
to fly.  Now THAT is scary.  Good job teach!

Brad



--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:

> Rik,
> 
> You will never get an argument from me about whether
> or not people need 
> to think.
> 
> I once taught school.  Far and away the toughest job
> I ever had.  I 
> taught in a one room school house in Kentucky, and I
> taught in a ghetto 
> school in Camden, NJ.  These kids never had a
> chance.  I also taught in 
> a middle class school district in Ohio.  That was
> the dream teaching job 
> you imagine when you think of what teaching must be
> like if you've never 
> done it.
> 
> The poverty stricken kids (black and white) will
> never learn to think 
> (for the most part.)  Try as I might, and I did try,
> I could not think 
> of a way to help those kids learn to learn.  It was
> so heartbreaking, I 
> walked away from the entire profession.  I am not
> proud of that; in fact 
> it haunts me.
> 
> It's been many years, and I still think about what I
> could have done to 
> make things better.  I still don't know.  Friends
> who stayed in the 
> profession have become bitter.  You can't blame the
> kids.  However those 
> kids have become the adults who perpetuate the
> problem.  Can you blame 
> them now?  Chickens and eggs.  Neither noted for an
> ability to think.
> 
> Bill Effros
> 
> 
> 
> Rik Sandberg wrote:
> 
> > Bill,
> >
> >I have a lot of opinions on roads. Most of them are
> like everybody elses .... probably worth about what
> one pays for them. But, seriously, most of the
> problems with the roads are not really the roads
> themselves, but the people using them.
> >
> >One thing I do believe is that the wider you make
> thses roads, the less efficient they are.
> >
> >One opinion I do have that I feel is valuable.
> People need to think. When one knows that EVERYONE
> in town is going to try to leave at the same time,
> one needs to think how to go where everyone else
> ain't. It appears this is not happening at all in
> Texas this week. Sure I suppose we (the country)
> could build a freeway in Houston, big enough to
> handle an exodus like this. But if we do this, won't
> we then have to build one for every other city in
> the country??? AND, that's just the roads. How many
> other bits of infrastructure do we have that aren't
> quite up to the "perfect storm"?? It just isn't
> possible to afford to build absolutely everything so
> that it can withstand the worst thing that could
> ever possibly happen. People need to get back to the
> idea that sometimes, you have to do the best you can
> with what you've got to work with.
> >
> >I know it was possible to get where everyone else
> isn't, because I had a friend that needed to get
> from the coast to somewhere west of Houston. Sure
> enough, he drove up to the freeway and found it
> jammed. He went back aout 10 miles and jumped on a
> county road and had clear sailing, all the way to
> where he was going. He figured the trip was about 15
> miles longer than it would have been, had he stayed
> on the freeway. he managed to get where he was going
> in a couple hours, vs the couple days it would have
> taken on the freeway.
> >
> >Sometime when we've got all day we can sit and rant
> about all this for a few hours. I think most of our
> problems come more from human nature than the
> configuration of our facilities.
> >
> >Yes I do believe that gas taxes should be used for
> roads. IIRC that's what the tax was designed for in
> the first place.
> >
> >Rik
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> >Sent: Sep 23, 2005 10:04 AM
> >To: sanderico at earthlink.net, R22 List
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] P-Horse shit and
> drinking.
> >
> >Rik,
> >
> >I have been addressing the how wide a freeway
> question for many years in 
> >different forums.  California's answer to this
> question -- as wide as it 
> >takes -- has not worked.  No surprise to me.  I
> suspect, no surprise to you.
> >
> >You are/were a trucker?  What do you think?
> >
> >The truckers lobby has worked hard to keep gasoline
> taxes earmarked for 
> >road building.  Do you think this is a good thing? 
> No politics here.  I 
> >can see the issue from both sides.
> >
> >Bill Effros
> >
> >Rik Sandberg wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Bill,
> >>
> >>It'll be interesting to see if Wally thinks I
> disagreed with him.
> >>
> >>I wonder, just how wide do we have to build a
> freeway just incase we 
> >>might have one major hurricane in in 20 or 30
> years?
> >>
> >>Probably right about the proportions of horseshit
> vs drinking. :-)
> >>
> >>Rik
> >>
> >>Bill Effros wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Rik,
> >>>
> >>>Wally said the government didn't learn because
> it's evacuation plans 
> >>>hadn't been changed, but that he thought people
> would evacuate sooner 
> >>>in the face of Rita, because citizens had
> learned.
> >>>
> >>>Initially I took the other position, but then I
> saw the AP story, and 
> >>>said maybe I was wrong.
> >>>
> >>>As I understand what you have said, you are the
> one who is 
> >>>disagreeing with Wally.
> >>>
> >>>Now, I'm sure Rummy will soon note that we seem
> to have our 
> >>>proportions of horse shit and drinking reversed.
> >>>
> >>>Bill Effros
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Rik Sandberg wrote:
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>Bill,
> >>>>
> >>>>You've got a pretty darn strange way of
> "agreeing"
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>"This is the worst planning I've ever seen,"
> said Judie Anderson, 
> >>>>>who covered just 45 miles in 12 hours after
> setting out from her 
> >>>>>home in the Houston suburb of LaPorte. "They
> say we've learned a 
> >>>>>lot from Hurricane Katrina. Well, you couldn't
> prove it by me."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Bill Effros 
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>I'm with Wally. Didn't seem like "agreement" to
> me either.
> >>>>
> >>>>The gov't may have learned from Katrina, BUT it
> seems 
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