[Rhodes22-list] Sailing suggestion.

[Peter Thorn]

Bill,

Aren't there some strong tidal currents in the western LIS?  If you were
measuring speed with a GPS perhaps that could account for sailing at 9 knots
for hours on end (if you were sailing down current in a 3 knot current).

PT



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Weber" <ruba1811 at hotmail.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing suggestion.


> Rik, ditto - The hull speed of a displacement hull is NOT absolute but the
> curve gets really steap and the amount of effort to cause an increase of
> speed really goes up.  I have surfed the boat (even on my small mud pond
in
> IL) and got into the mid 6 kn range for a second or to but that is it.
The
> R-22 has a hull shape which seams to be a cross between a planning hull
and
> a displacement hull but after > 1000 of miles in it, I would have to say 6
> kn is the ceiling.  Bob W
>
>
> >From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico at earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing suggestion.
> >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:04:22 -0500
> >
> >Bill,
> >
> >What you say may work in the ocean, or perhaps in a large bay or sound
like
> >LIS, downwind with a following sea. I don't believe you're going to make
> >that happen on a lake though.
> >
> >I can usually get better than average speed out of a sailboat. You can
ask
> >anybody that's sailed with me. I have not been able to do what you claim
to
> >do for more than a few seconds on a lake, even with waves as high as five
> >feet, on a broad reach.
> >
> >Not saying it can't be done, BUT you need the right conditions. Most of
the
> >lake sailors on this list will never see those conditions.
> >
> >Rik
> >
> >Bill Effros wrote:
> >>Bob,
> >>
> >>The speed limitation applies only to displacement hulls.  The Rhodes-22
> >>hull can plane when sailed flat.  I can motor at 6.25 kts, and have
sailed
> >>at 9 kts, for hours on end, when the wind is blowing, and I'm sailing as
> >>flat as I can.
> >>
> >>Most people on the list have sailed faster than 5.7 kts.  When that
> >>happens, they are planing.  You can plane faster flat than heeled in an
> >>R-22.
> >>
> >>Bill Effros
> >>
> >>Bob Weber wrote:
> >>>Dave, Flat bottom = 18 foot of waterline
> >>>Healed bottom = 19 foot of waterline
> >>>Who Cares?
> >>>The limitation of your maximum speed is based on waterline - Longer
boats
> >>>can go faster
> >>>Hull speed = Square root of the wateriine * 1.3 (51/2 kn) flat or 5.7
> >>>heeled
> >>>
> >>>If you ever see sailors on the lee side of the boat using their weight
to
> >>>heel the boat on light wind days that is the principle they are going
> >>>from.
> >>>
> >>>Bob Weber
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>From: "David Bradley" <dwbrad at gmail.com>
> >>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing suggestion.
> >>>>Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:34:11 +0100
> >>>>
> >>>>Bill, it sure makes sense to me, just in terms of physics.  Flat
bottom
> >>>>=
> >>>>less friction.  Buried side = more friction.  Of course, I was a
> >>>>marketing
> >>>>major so what the hell do I know about physics?
> >>>>
> >>>>Dave B.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>On 4/18/06, Peter Thorn <pthorn at nc.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Nope.  I agree with you Bill.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > PT
> >>>> >
> >>>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> > From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> >>>> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:48 AM
> >>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing suggestion.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > > Jay believes me, but he may be the only one.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Bill Effros
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> >>>> > > > Bill,
> >>>> > > > Nobody on this lists believes you. A R22 does not sail fast
flat.
> >>>>It
> >>>> > > > requires about thirty degrees of heel to get the wind in the
> >>>>sails and
> >>>> > really  get
> >>>> > > > her moving. I'd like to see you sail flat in a 10 mph wind. It
> >>>>can be
> >>>> > done,  but
> >>>> > > > only by the faint of heart.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Rummy
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