[Rhodes22-list] Sailing suggestion.

[Bob Weber]

Rik, ditto - The hull speed of a displacement hull is NOT absolute but the 
curve gets really steap and the amount of effort to cause an increase of 
speed really goes up.  I have surfed the boat (even on my small mud pond in 
IL) and got into the mid 6 kn range for a second or to but that is it.  The 
R-22 has a hull shape which seams to be a cross between a planning hull and 
a displacement hull but after > 1000 of miles in it, I would have to say 6 
kn is the ceiling.  Bob W


>From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing suggestion.
>Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:04:22 -0500
>
>Bill,
>
>What you say may work in the ocean, or perhaps in a large bay or sound like 
>LIS, downwind with a following sea. I don't believe you're going to make 
>that happen on a lake though.
>
>I can usually get better than average speed out of a sailboat. You can ask 
>anybody that's sailed with me. I have not been able to do what you claim to 
>do for more than a few seconds on a lake, even with waves as high as five 
>feet, on a broad reach.
>
>Not saying it can't be done, BUT you need the right conditions. Most of the 
>lake sailors on this list will never see those conditions.
>
>Rik
>
>Bill Effros wrote:
>>Bob,
>>
>>The speed limitation applies only to displacement hulls.  The Rhodes-22 
>>hull can plane when sailed flat.  I can motor at 6.25 kts, and have sailed 
>>at 9 kts, for hours on end, when the wind is blowing, and I'm sailing as 
>>flat as I can.
>>
>>Most people on the list have sailed faster than 5.7 kts.  When that 
>>happens, they are planing.  You can plane faster flat than heeled in an 
>>R-22.
>>
>>Bill Effros
>>
>>Bob Weber wrote:
>>>Dave, Flat bottom = 18 foot of waterline
>>>Healed bottom = 19 foot of waterline
>>>Who Cares?
>>>The limitation of your maximum speed is based on waterline - Longer boats 
>>>can go faster
>>>Hull speed = Square root of the wateriine * 1.3 (51/2 kn) flat or 5.7 
>>>heeled
>>>
>>>If you ever see sailors on the lee side of the boat using their weight to 
>>>heel the boat on light wind days that is the principle they are going 
>>>from.
>>>
>>>Bob Weber
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "David Bradley" <dwbrad at gmail.com>
>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing suggestion.
>>>>Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:34:11 +0100
>>>>
>>>>Bill, it sure makes sense to me, just in terms of physics.  Flat bottom 
>>>>=
>>>>less friction.  Buried side = more friction.  Of course, I was a 
>>>>marketing
>>>>major so what the hell do I know about physics?
>>>>
>>>>Dave B.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 4/18/06, Peter Thorn <pthorn at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Nope.  I agree with you Bill.
>>>> >
>>>> > PT
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>>> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:48 AM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing suggestion.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > > Jay believes me, but he may be the only one.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Bill Effros
>>>> > >
>>>> > > R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>>> > > > Bill,
>>>> > > > Nobody on this lists believes you. A R22 does not sail fast flat. 
>>>>It
>>>> > > > requires about thirty degrees of heel to get the wind in the 
>>>>sails and
>>>> > really  get
>>>> > > > her moving. I'd like to see you sail flat in a 10 mph wind. It 
>>>>can be
>>>> > done,  but
>>>> > > > only by the faint of heart.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Rummy
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