[Rhodes22-list] Sailing suggestion.

[TN Rhodey]

Rik,

I agree most don't sail in 25 knot winds and I am not claiming 9 knots for 
hours on end. In heavy winds around 15 - 20 I can easily maintain a knot or 
two above theoretical hull speed on broad reaches with CB up. I have had 
bursts in the 9 plus range but nothing sustained. I have also had some 
pretty wild spinnaker runs well over hull speed but I can't say it was easy. 
Oh yeah.....It is also important to have weight forward.

Wally


>From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing suggestion.
>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:33:50 -0500
>
>Bill, Luis, Wally,
>
>Sure, I agree. It's not hard at all to exceed hull speed when it's blowing 
>25 knots. I have done it both with our R22 and now with our Flicka. I 
>averaged over 6 knots for a couple hours one afternoon with the Flicka on 
>Kentucky Lake last year. Top speed  (that we saw) was 7.1. Looking at the 
>GPS most times during that stretch would give 6.5 to 6.8 readings. The 
>winds this day were out of the west, which on KY Lake only gives a fetch of 
>a mile (give or take) so the water was pretty smooth.
>
>That said, how many of us would even be out there when it is blowing that 
>hard? Let alone with sail up. On the day I described above, I was it. Me 
>and a couple of barges, and it's not like there's a shortage of sailboats 
>on KY Lake.
>
>One of the selling points for me when we bought our R22 was it's ability to 
>handle heavier weather and it does that quite well. When I traded to the 
>Flicka I was looking for (among other things) even better heavy weather 
>ability, which it has. But still, given the tendency toward gustier and 
>shiftier winds on most inland waterways, those 25 knot+ days will test your 
>skill level even on a Flicka and surely give most sailors a gut check. As I 
>said, most won't ever see those conditions ..... except from the shore.
>
>Rik
>
>TN Rhodey wrote:
>>Good topic! It is true that racers sit on the lee side to create heel 
>>helping fill sails in calm conditions. I am not sure if Rummys comment was 
>>tongue in cheek but 30 degrees is too much. If the rail is buried you are 
>>losing speed. In my opinion the R22 likes to be sailed flatter flat going 
>>down wind and some heel going up.
>>
>>Rik mentions the "right" conditions.  For me I have hit my top speeds in 
>>the R22 while on a broad reach in heavy winds. The boat generally is 
>>balanced with just a slight heel, weight forward, and the CB up. I sail 
>>inland lakes and can achieve 6 - 7 knots easily under these conditions. I 
>>also have had some spinnaker runs well over hull speed as well.
>>
>>I can also motor over "hull speed" with a 6 HP motor running wide open.
>>
>>Keep in my mind there is more than one formula for hull speed.
>>
>>Wally
>>
>>
>>>From: Luis Guzman <trpclman at yahoo.com>
>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing suggestion.
>>>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 04:35:25 -0700 (PDT)
>>>
>>>Rik,
>>>
>>>   I have sailed in flat waters at 6.5 to 7 knots in my R22 so it does 
>>>not have anything to do with following seas. On the same conditions, I 
>>>have not been able to do more that 6 knots when the railed is buried.
>>>
>>>   Luis
>>>
>>>Rik Sandberg <sanderico at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>   Bill,
>>>
>>>What you say may work in the ocean, or perhaps in a large bay or sound
>>>like LIS, downwind with a following sea. I don't believe you're going to
>>>make that happen on a lake though.
>>>
>>>I can usually get better than average speed out of a sailboat. You can
>>>ask anybody that's sailed with me. I have not been able to do what you
>>>claim to do for more than a few seconds on a lake, even with waves as
>>>high as five feet, on a broad reach.
>>>
>>>Not saying it can't be done, BUT you need the right conditions. Most of
>>>the lake sailors on this list will never see those conditions.
>>>
>>>Rik
>>>
>>>Bill Effros wrote:
>>> > Bob,
>>> >
>>> > The speed limitation applies only to displacement hulls. The
>>> > Rhodes-22 hull can plane when sailed flat. I can motor at 6.25 kts,
>>> > and have sailed at 9 kts, for hours on end, when the wind is blowing,
>>> > and I'm sailing as flat as I can.
>>> >
>>> > Most people on the list have sailed faster than 5.7 kts. When that
>>> > happens, they are planing. You can plane faster flat than heeled in
>>> > an R-22.
>>> >
>>> > Bill Effros
>>> >
>>> > Bob Weber wrote:
>>> >> Dave, Flat bottom = 18 foot of waterline
>>> >> Healed bottom = 19 foot of waterline
>>> >> Who Cares?
>>> >> The limitation of your maximum speed is based on waterline - Longer
>>> >> boats can go faster
>>> >> Hull speed = Square root of the wateriine * 1.3 (51/2 kn) flat or 5.7
>>> >> heeled
>>> >>
>>> >> If you ever see sailors on the lee side of the boat using their
>>> >> weight to heel the boat on light wind days that is the principle they
>>> >> are going from.
>>> >>
>>> >> Bob Weber
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> From: "David Bradley"
>>> >>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>> >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing suggestion.
>>> >>> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:34:11 +0100
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Bill, it sure makes sense to me, just in terms of physics. Flat
>>> >>> bottom =
>>> >>> less friction. Buried side = more friction. Of course, I was a
>>> >>> marketing
>>> >>> major so what the hell do I know about physics?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Dave B.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 4/18/06, Peter Thorn
>>>wrote:
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Nope. I agree with you Bill.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > PT
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> > From: "Bill Effros"
>>> >>> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>>> >>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:48 AM
>>> >>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing suggestion.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > > Jay believes me, but he may be the only one.
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > Bill Effros
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>> >>> > > > Bill,
>>> >>> > > > Nobody on this lists believes you. A R22 does not sail fast
>>> >>> flat. It
>>> >>> > > > requires about thirty degrees of heel to get the wind in the
>>> >>> sails and
>>> >>> > really get
>>> >>> > > > her moving. I'd like to see you sail flat in a 10 mph wind. It
>>> >>> can be
>>> >>> > done, but
>>> >>> > > > only by the faint of heart.
>>> >>> > > >
>>> >>> > > > Rummy
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>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
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>>> >>> dwbrad at gmail.com
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