[Rhodes22-list] Hiking Sticks
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Fri Dec 1 09:58:49 EST 2006
Rob,
I use always use a tiller extension, and can't imagine using one with a
fixed length. I change the length constantly as conditions on board
change. The right length for a given task is never all the way out or
all the way in. Spend a few extra bucks and get a twist lock model. I
have mop handle holders mounted on my stern rails that hold the tiller
extension when I run out of hands. So you can get 2 useful devices for
the price of one if you get a variable length tiller extension.
Bill Effros
Rob Lowe wrote:
> I'm considering a tiller extension but was looking for a fixed length to
> save $$. West Marine has 24, 36, and 42" ones. Any suggestions? - rob
>
> http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product/10001/-1/10001/72208/10001/366/338/2
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hiking Sticks
>
>
>
>> My tiller extension is adjustable....not sure but I think it goes from 2
>> feet to around 4.
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: Slim <salm at mn.rr.com>
>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> To: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hiking Sticks
>>> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:17:19 -0600
>>>
>>> Or you could mount a long one on top of the tiller and a short one on the
>>> under side.
>>>
>>> Slim
>>>
>>> On 11/30/06 10:35 AM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wally,
>>>>
>>>> I assume an auto-tiller is not permitted when racing? How long is the
>>>> hiking stick you use? Have you see the hiking sticks with the pop-out
>>>> feature so you can switch a longer one for a shorter one on the fly?
>>>>
>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>
>>>> TN Rhodey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rex,
>>>>>
>>>>> I know what you mean about the traveler. I had always wanted to
>>>>>
> change
>
>>>>> the cleating angle but never got around to it. I did replace the 2
>>>>> lines on the traveler with a single line that is long enough to reach
>>>>> just about anywhere in cockpit. It still requires me to lean back to
>>>>> cleat after making adjustments but I can sit on the high (or low)
>>>>>
> side
>
>>>>> with traveler line on my lap. Easing traveler in the gusts works
>>>>> better than easing main.
>>>>>
>>>>> A friend was day sailing with me one day and kept nagging me about
>>>>>
> not
>
>>>>> having a vang. While we were sailing I "made" a vang with a single
>>>>> line lashed around base of mast to boom, using truckers hitch to
>>>>>
> creat
>
>>>>> purchase then cleating bitter end on mast. It was a big improvement.
>>>>> Upwind I could flatten sail and off the wind I could adjust to keep
>>>>> boom from rising up. After a while I converted the vang from my
>>>>> Bantam. It is a little undersized but works fine. It quickly snaps
>>>>> onto bale at mast bottom and fitting on boom. You can't use pop top
>>>>> with traveler in place but if you are racing you will not have pop
>>>>>
> top
>
>>>>> up.
>>>>>
>>>>> As to your cake.....just try reouting sheets while underway. It is
>>>>>
> not
>
>>>>> that hard to do. Racing a R22 single handed keeps one quite busy. On
>>>>> the upwind leg you can start out iside shrouds. One your last tack to
>>>>> the mark reroute lazy sheet well in advance. I undo my figure eight
>>>>> knot and pull (and coil) sheet back out of the block. One quick step
>>>>> forward and I pass the coil outside and run back through block, tie
>>>>> new figure eight and you are ready to go. Trying to make changes
>>>>>
> near
>
>>>>> the mark is not good. After you jibe get things in control then
>>>>> reroute the other sheet. After last jibe on down wind run do it all
>>>>> over again. I can secure my tiller for hand free sailing (briefly)
>>>>>
> and
>
>>>>> sail this way quite often.
>>>>>
>>>>> I quit doing it but the first season I even flew my spinnaker in a
>>>>> couple of races single handed. Talk about chaos! I would furl genny,
>>>>> jump forward and hoist spinnaker as fast as I could. Go back to
>>>>> cockpit and trim sails then cleat. Jump back forward and set pole. I
>>>>> would only do this in very light winds. I didn't do well in these
>>>>>
>>> races.
>>>
>>>>> Fair Winds,
>>>>>
>>>>> Wally
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Charles Henthorn <rexh at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:50:00 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wally:
>>>>>> I agree with what you say about a furled 175 inside the
>>>>>> shrouds. The point of my earlier post was to learn if there was a
>>>>>> way to have my cake and eat it too ---- rigged in advance to use
>>>>>> genoa outside of outer shrouds on the runs but reduce its area and
>>>>>>
> be
>
>>>>>> prepared without re-rigging to have a 100%--130% inside the outside
>>>>>> shrouds when beating.
>>>>>> Yes I have an extension and usually steer from the windward
>>>>>> rail when beating --- I have found that, by using the leeward winch
>>>>>> only as a block and running the jib sheet across the cockpit to the
>>>>>> windward winch, I can control and adjust the genoa shape much better
>>>>>> and efficiently while continuing to keep the proper weight
>>>>>> distribution on the windward side of the boat. When
>>>>>> single-handing---I find the jib sheet stretched across the cockpit
>>>>>> from winch to winch is not a problem.
>>>>>> Your vang suggestion intrigues me. With the IMF and the
>>>>>> poptop configuration, I'm curious where you attached the vang ends
>>>>>>
> to
>
>>>>>> the mast and boom without interfering with the use of the poptop.
>>>>>> Someone mentioned some modification of the standard traveler that
>>>>>> might make it easier to handle. I use it and find it cumbersome (at
>>>>>> least single-handed) to either (1) maintain a steady helm, keep the
>>>>>> weight on the windward side, and reach across the stern to release
>>>>>> the traveler immediately after the change of course --- or (2) ease
>>>>>> the mainsheet and loosen the traveler (but losing the advantage of
>>>>>> the traveler) before the tack so its free to adjust after the tack.
>>>>>> I've thought of mounting a block on the end of the traveler bar so
>>>>>> the line could wrap around the end but be held by a cleat of some
>>>>>> type on the opposite end but the traveler track---but it doesn't
>>>>>>
> seem
>
>>>>>> shaped nor configured to permit a practical implementation of that
>>>>>>
>>> idea.
>>>
>>>>>> Rex
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Rex,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I race single handed as well. If you plan ahead rerouting jib sheets
>>>>>> is not
>>>>>> a big deal. I don't race with pop-top up. I can secure tiller and
>>>>>>
> walk
>
>>>>>> forward to make the change in a few seconds. I am not sure that you
>>>>>> really
>>>>>> want a 175 inside the shrouds unless conditions require furling
>>>>>> anyway. In
>>>>>> that case sheeting inside provides better angles and would be worth
>>>>>> rerouting sheets. I would think furling the 175 just so you can
>>>>>>
> sheet
>
>>>>>> inside
>>>>>> shrouds would actually slow you down overall. Also add a vang.
>>>>>>
> Proper
>
>>>>>> use of
>>>>>> vang and traveler will help you sail flatter in windier conditions.
>>>>>>
>>> The
>>>
>>>>>> biggest thing I missed with crew was the added rail weight. Also do
>>>>>> you have
>>>>>> a tiller extension? Most times when racing solo I am sitting forward
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> cockpit...sometimes on the bench seat and sometimes on the rail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wally
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Charles Henthorn
>>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:54:51 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Slim --- forgot to mention I typically single-hand when
>>>>>>>
>>> racing.
>>>
>>>>>>> Good suggestion but probably would need to start using some crew if
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I were
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to try re-rigging between course changes.
>>>>>>> Yes I agree that a slight back-wind of the genoa helps carry it
>>>>>>> through to leeward -- if the sheets don't snag on the way.
>>>>>>> Rex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slim wrote:
>>>>>>> Rex,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wouldn't try the "double sheet" thing especially if you've been
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> having
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> trouble getting the big 175 to come across without snagging on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When tacking, I've found that I have to hold the jib sheet until
>>>>>>>
> I've
>
>>>>>>> crossed through the eye and let the wind fill up the jib before I
>>>>>>>
> let
>
>>>>>>> loose.
>>>>>>> That usually works unless it's really light air. Another solution
>>>>>>>
> is
>
>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>> simply roll up the jib and pull it back out after you're about.
>>>>>>>
> This
>
>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> done pretty fast with experienced crew. It's definitely faster than
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> having
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a sheet hooked on the bow cleat and someone has to go forward. Also
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> little practice you can re-rig the sheets quickly and easily. If
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> you're on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a starboard tack, re-rig the starboard (slack) sheet first. Then
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> when you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> come about re-rig the other side. You might be sailing with your
>>>>>>>
> pop
>
>>>>>> top
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> down but if not, just FYI, a man of average height can reach the
>>>>>>>
>>> sheets
>>>
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> inside the cabin rather than going forward topside.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope this helps. Good luck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/28/06 3:20 PM, "Charles Henthorn" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anne:
>>>>>>>> My Rhodes ( 88 recycled by Stan this past spring) is on Freeman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lake,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I crew for a friend on Eagle Creek many times during the season.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> raced on Eagle Creek. They have a large J boat contingent at Eagle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Creek.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the invite to crew. We're northwest of Indy and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> probably 3
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hrs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> from KyLake area but if I get a chance to be in your area I'll
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> give you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> email in advance.
>>>>>>>> I had had some suggestions to run the rigging to the track inside
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> outside shrouds but, with our lake lying in a snake configuration
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> distance courses being layed out around several points and tree
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> lines,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> winds (Murphy's Law is always in play) gust or change
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> dramatically in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> intensity (especially in the spring and fall), having the genoa
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> running
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> rigging on the inside of the shrouds takes the 'outside' option
>>>>>>>>
> away
>
>>>>>>> when it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> might be more effective if the winds are right. Has anyone tried
>>>>>>>> 'double-rigging' with sheets running both inside and outside the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> outside
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> shrouds? I think it could be done if you lighten up on the sheets
>>>>>>>>
> so
>
>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> not dragging a lot of weight around but, even now, I'm finding it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> difficult in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> light winds to get that big 175 to flow over to the leeward side
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> on a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tack or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> gibe without the single set of sheets finding some cleat or port
>>>>>>>>
> or
>
>>>>>>> chainplate
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> connection on which to hang up or snag. Before I try it (next
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> spring now
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> winter
>>>>>>>> upon us), maybe someone has tried and found it successful or a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> complete
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> failure.
>>>>>>>> Rex
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> anima13 wrote:
>>>>>>>> Rex,
>>>>>>>> What lake are you on? Eagle Creek?
>>>>>>>> I have to admit I sold my Rhodes....but I cannot give up this
>>>>>>>>
> list,
>
>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> folks.
>>>>>>>> I went to a bigger boat. I have sailed all winter on my Rhodes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> One year
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sailed
>>>>>>>> every weekend to Jan 1st and then we were out on Feb 1st.
>>>>>>>> Racing....I have never raced my Rhodes, except for the KY Lake
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> gathering
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rhodes
>>>>>>>> when we used to host a race here. Have to say, and I believe Rik
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sandberg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> would concur,
>>>>>>>> I could really point that boat. You might try unfurling just less
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> than
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> whole 175%,
>>>>>>>> like 160% or so.
>>>>>>>> However, you are not going to point like the Flying Scot, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hence,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PHRF!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wally races his R-22.
>>>>>>>> I race on a team...race a J-34 now. We have raced together for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Our
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> philosophy is to
>>>>>>>> point hard and make the shortest distance. We sheet that jib in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> tight as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> drum and our
>>>>>>>> helmsgal (John's wife Lisa) NEVER takes her eyes off the windex
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> or the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> telltales. She is
>>>>>>>> not allowed to do ANYthing else. We usually tell her "up" or
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> "off" so
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> does not have to look up
>>>>>>>> to windex. On our long distance races she gets to rest on the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> downwind...if
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> we have enough staff.
>>>>>>>> We have a 100 mile race in the spring and a 50 miler in the fall.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lots
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> folks from Eagle Creek
>>>>>>>> come here for those. A few were here last weekend and they are
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> some of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> favorite friends.
>>>>>>>> Come down and crew with us next year! We are ALWAYS hunting crew.
>>>>>>>>
> We
>
>>>>>>> require
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a minimum of 6
>>>>>>>> for spinnaker. We took 9 on the 100 miler last year and were not
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> crowded!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Too many jobs to do.
>>>>>>>> Anne
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Charles
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Henthorn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:10 PM
>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ann:
>>>>>>>> Same here (mid-central western Indiana) --- great winds -- raced
>>>>>>>> Saturday --- but cried all night last night having tarped my boat
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yesterday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would have guessed your season could extend more at Ky Lake
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> than here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you race your Rhodes. I'm finding I'm very competitive on the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> runs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but can't seem to get the 175% to point up enough on the reaches.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> race and, if so, have you found a way to point up higher than the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Santana's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and Flying Scots I try to race against?
>>>>>>>> Rex
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> anima13 wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Man, did we have a BLOW-OUT weekend!!!!!
>>>>>>>> Sailed all day Friday and 4 boats rafted up overnight.
>>>>>>>> Played guitar, sang, ate and drank.
>>>>>>>> Our friends from Indy came down so that gave it much more of a
>>>>>>>> party-atmosphere. Sure were some gorgeous days on KY Lake.
>>>>>>>> That is the lastest we have rafted-up. Our last latest was Nov
>>>>>>>>
> 1st.
>
>>>>>>>> Was cool in the night but the sun was very warm right away in the
>>>>>>>> morning.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope y'all had as great a time as we did.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anne
>>>>>>>>
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