[Rhodes22-list] Hiking Sticks

Fri Dec 1 11:24:30 EST 2006

Rob, Get and adjustable tiller extension....look at Forespar (I think). 
Extensions snaps on and off. Mine is 5 year sold and works great. I have the 
smaller extension on my Bantam.

Wally

>From: "Rob Lowe" <rlowe at vt.edu>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hiking Sticks
>Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:48:29 -0500
>
>I'm considering a tiller extension but was looking for a fixed length to
>save $$.  West Marine has 24, 36, and 42" ones.  Any suggestions? - rob
>
>http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product/10001/-1/10001/72208/10001/366/338/2
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>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hiking Sticks
>
>
> > My tiller extension is adjustable....not sure but I think it goes from 2
> > feet to  around 4.
> >
> >
> > >From: Slim <salm at mn.rr.com>
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hiking Sticks
> > >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:17:19 -0600
> > >
> > >Or you could mount a long one on top of the tiller and a short one on 
>the
> > >under side.
> > >
> > >Slim
> > >
> > >On 11/30/06 10:35 AM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wally,
> > > >
> > > > I assume an auto-tiller is not permitted when racing?  How long is 
>the
> > > > hiking stick you use?  Have you see the hiking sticks with the 
>pop-out
> > > > feature so you can switch a longer one for a shorter one on the fly?
> > > >
> > > > Bill Effros
> > > >
> > > > TN Rhodey wrote:
> > > >> Rex,
> > > >>
> > > >> I know what you mean about the traveler. I had always wanted to
>change
> > > >> the cleating angle but never got around to it. I did replace the 2
> > > >> lines on the traveler with a single line that is long enough to 
>reach
> > > >> just about anywhere in cockpit. It still requires me to lean back 
>to
> > > >> cleat after making adjustments but I can sit on the high (or low)
>side
> > > >> with traveler line on my lap. Easing traveler in the gusts works
> > > >> better than easing main.
> > > >>
> > > >> A friend was day sailing with me one day and kept nagging me about
>not
> > > >> having a vang. While we were sailing I "made" a vang with a single
> > > >> line lashed around base of mast to boom, using truckers hitch to
>creat
> > > >> purchase then cleating bitter end on mast. It was a big 
>improvement.
> > > >> Upwind I could flatten sail and off the wind I could adjust to keep
> > > >> boom from rising up. After a while I converted the vang from my
> > > >> Bantam. It is a little undersized but works fine. It quickly snaps
> > > >> onto bale at mast bottom and fitting on boom. You can't use pop top
> > > >> with traveler in place but if you are racing you will not have pop
>top
> > > >> up.
> > > >>
> > > >> As to your cake.....just try reouting sheets while underway. It is
>not
> > > >> that hard to do. Racing a R22 single handed keeps one quite busy. 
>On
> > > >> the upwind leg you can start out iside shrouds. One your last tack 
>to
> > > >> the mark reroute lazy sheet well in advance. I undo my figure eight
> > > >> knot and pull (and coil) sheet back out of the block. One quick 
>step
> > > >> forward and I pass the coil outside and run back through block, tie
> > > >> new figure eight and you are ready to go.  Trying to make changes
>near
> > > >> the mark is not good. After you jibe get things in control then
> > > >> reroute the other sheet. After last jibe on down wind run do it all
> > > >> over again. I can secure my tiller for hand free sailing (briefly)
>and
> > > >> sail this way quite often.
> > > >>
> > > >> I quit doing it but the first season I even flew my spinnaker in a
> > > >> couple of races single handed. Talk about chaos! I would furl 
>genny,
> > > >> jump forward and hoist spinnaker as fast as I could. Go back to
> > > >> cockpit and trim sails then cleat. Jump back forward and set pole. 
>I
> > > >> would only do this in very light winds. I didn't do well in these
> > >races.
> > > >>
> > > >> Fair Winds,
> > > >>
> > > >> Wally
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> From: Charles Henthorn <rexh at sbcglobal.net>
> > > >>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
> > > >>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:50:00 -0800 (PST)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Wally:
> > > >>>        I agree with what you say about a furled 175 inside the
> > > >>> shrouds.  The point of my earlier post was to learn if there was a
> > > >>> way to have my cake and eat it too ---- rigged in advance to use
> > > >>> genoa outside of outer shrouds on the runs but reduce its area and
>be
> > > >>> prepared without re-rigging to have a 100%--130% inside the 
>outside
> > > >>> shrouds when beating.
> > > >>>        Yes I have an extension and usually steer from the windward
> > > >>> rail when beating --- I have found that, by using the leeward 
>winch
> > > >>> only as a block and running the jib sheet across the cockpit to 
>the
> > > >>> windward winch, I can control and adjust the genoa shape much 
>better
> > > >>> and efficiently while continuing to keep the proper weight
> > > >>> distribution on the windward side of the boat.  When
> > > >>> single-handing---I find the jib sheet stretched across the cockpit
> > > >>> from winch to winch is not a problem.
> > > >>>        Your vang suggestion intrigues me.  With the IMF and the
> > > >>> poptop configuration, I'm curious where you attached the vang ends
>to
> > > >>> the mast and boom without interfering with the use of the poptop.
> > > >>> Someone mentioned some modification of the standard traveler that
> > > >>> might make it easier to handle.  I use it and find it cumbersome 
>(at
> > > >>> least single-handed) to either (1) maintain a steady helm, keep 
>the
> > > >>> weight on the windward side, and reach across the stern to release
> > > >>> the traveler immediately after the change of course --- or (2)  
>ease
> > > >>> the mainsheet and loosen the traveler (but losing the advantage of
> > > >>> the traveler) before the tack so its free to adjust after the 
>tack.
> > > >>> I've thought of mounting a block on the end of the traveler bar so
> > > >>> the line could wrap around the end but be held by a cleat of some
> > > >>> type on the opposite end but the traveler track---but it doesn't
>seem
> > > >>> shaped nor configured to permit a practical implementation of that
> > >idea.
> > > >>> Rex
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>   Rex,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I race single handed as well. If you plan ahead rerouting jib 
>sheets
> > > >>> is not
> > > >>> a big deal. I don't race with pop-top up. I can secure tiller and
>walk
> > > >>> forward to make the change in a few seconds. I am not sure that 
>you
> > > >>> really
> > > >>> want a 175 inside the shrouds unless conditions require furling
> > > >>> anyway. In
> > > >>> that case sheeting inside provides better angles and would be 
>worth
> > > >>> rerouting sheets. I would think furling the 175 just so you can
>sheet
> > > >>> inside
> > > >>> shrouds would actually slow you down overall. Also add a vang.
>Proper
> > > >>> use of
> > > >>> vang and traveler will help you sail flatter in windier 
>conditions.
> > >The
> > > >>> biggest thing I missed with crew was the added rail weight. Also 
>do
> > > >>> you have
> > > >>> a tiller extension? Most times when racing solo I am sitting 
>forward
> > > >>> in the
> > > >>> cockpit...sometimes on the bench seat and sometimes on the rail.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Wally
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> From: Charles Henthorn
> > > >>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
> > > >>>> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:54:51 -0800 (PST)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thanks Slim --- forgot to mention I typically single-hand when
> > >racing.
> > > >>>> Good suggestion but probably would need to start using some crew 
>if
> > > >>> I were
> > > >>>> to try re-rigging between course changes.
> > > >>>> Yes I agree that a slight back-wind of the genoa helps carry it
> > > >>>> through to leeward -- if the sheets don't snag on the way.
> > > >>>> Rex
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Slim wrote:
> > > >>>> Rex,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I wouldn't try the "double sheet" thing especially if you've been
> > > >>> having
> > > >>>> trouble getting the big 175 to come across without snagging on
> > > >>> something.
> > > >>>> When tacking, I've found that I have to hold the jib sheet until
>I've
> > > >>>> crossed through the eye and let the wind fill up the jib before I
>let
> > > >>>> loose.
> > > >>>> That usually works unless it's really light air. Another solution
>is
> > >to
> > > >>>> simply roll up the jib and pull it back out after you're about.
>This
> > > >>> can be
> > > >>>> done pretty fast with experienced crew. It's definitely faster 
>than
> > > >>> having
> > > >>>> a sheet hooked on the bow cleat and someone has to go forward. 
>Also
> > > >>> with a
> > > >>>> little practice you can re-rig the sheets quickly and easily. If
> > > >>> you're on
> > > >>>> a starboard tack, re-rig the starboard (slack) sheet first. Then
> > > >>> when you
> > > >>>> come about re-rig the other side. You might be sailing with your
>pop
> > > >>> top
> > > >>>> down but if not, just FYI, a man of average height can reach the
> > >sheets
> > > >>>> from
> > > >>>> inside the cabin rather than going forward topside.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Hope this helps. Good luck.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Slim
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On 11/28/06 3:20 PM, "Charles Henthorn" wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Anne:
> > > >>>>> My Rhodes ( 88 recycled by Stan this past spring) is on Freeman
> > > >>> Lake,
> > > >>>> but
> > > >>>>> I crew for a friend on Eagle Creek many times during the season.
> > > >>> I've
> > > >>>> never
> > > >>>>> raced on Eagle Creek. They have a large J boat contingent at 
>Eagle
> > > >>>> Creek.
> > > >>>>> Thanks for the invite to crew. We're northwest of Indy and
> > > >>> probably 3
> > > >>>> hrs
> > > >>>>> from KyLake area but if I get a chance to be in your area I'll
> > > >>> give you
> > > >>>> an
> > > >>>>> email in advance.
> > > >>>>> I had had some suggestions to run the rigging to the track 
>inside
> > > >>> the
> > > >>>>> outside shrouds but, with our lake lying in a snake 
>configuration
> > > >>> and
> > > >>>> our
> > > >>>>> distance courses being layed out around several points and tree
> > > >>> lines,
> > > >>>> our
> > > >>>>> winds (Murphy's Law is always in play) gust or change
> > > >>> dramatically in
> > > >>>>> intensity (especially in the spring and fall), having the genoa
> > > >>> running
> > > >>>>> rigging on the inside of the shrouds takes the 'outside' option
>away
> > > >>>> when it
> > > >>>>> might be more effective if the winds are right. Has anyone tried
> > > >>>>> 'double-rigging' with sheets running both inside and outside the
> > > >>> outside
> > > >>>>> shrouds? I think it could be done if you lighten up on the 
>sheets
>so
> > > >>>> you're
> > > >>>>> not dragging a lot of weight around but, even now, I'm finding 
>it
> > > >>>> difficult in
> > > >>>>> light winds to get that big 175 to flow over to the leeward side
> > > >>> on a
> > > >>>> tack or
> > > >>>>> gibe without the single set of sheets finding some cleat or port
>or
> > > >>>> chainplate
> > > >>>>> connection on which to hang up or snag. Before I try it (next
> > > >>> spring now
> > > >>>> with
> > > >>>>> winter
> > > >>>>> upon us), maybe someone has tried and found it successful or a
> > > >>> complete
> > > >>>>> failure.
> > > >>>>> Rex
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> anima13 wrote:
> > > >>>>> Rex,
> > > >>>>> What lake are you on? Eagle Creek?
> > > >>>>> I have to admit I sold my Rhodes....but I cannot give up this
>list,
> > > >>>> these
> > > >>>>> folks.
> > > >>>>> I went to a bigger boat. I have sailed all winter on my Rhodes.
> > > >>> One year
> > > >>>> we
> > > >>>>> sailed
> > > >>>>> every weekend to Jan 1st and then we were out on Feb 1st.
> > > >>>>> Racing....I have never raced my Rhodes, except for the KY Lake
> > > >>> gathering
> > > >>>> for
> > > >>>>> Rhodes
> > > >>>>> when we used to host a race here. Have to say, and I believe Rik
> > > >>>> Sandberg
> > > >>>>> would concur,
> > > >>>>> I could really point that boat. You might try unfurling just 
>less
> > > >>> than
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>>> whole 175%,
> > > >>>>> like 160% or so.
> > > >>>>> However, you are not going to point like the Flying Scot, etc.
> > > >>> Hence,
> > > >>>> PHRF!
> > > >>>>> Wally races his R-22.
> > > >>>>> I race on a team...race a J-34 now. We have raced together for
> > > >>> years.
> > > >>>> Our
> > > >>>>> philosophy is to
> > > >>>>> point hard and make the shortest distance. We sheet that jib in
> > > >>> tight as
> > > >>>> a
> > > >>>>> drum and our
> > > >>>>> helmsgal (John's wife Lisa) NEVER takes her eyes off the windex
> > > >>> or the
> > > >>>>> telltales. She is
> > > >>>>> not allowed to do ANYthing else. We usually tell her "up" or
> > > >>> "off" so
> > > >>>> she
> > > >>>>> does not have to look up
> > > >>>>> to windex. On our long distance races she gets to rest on the
> > > >>>> downwind...if
> > > >>>>> we have enough staff.
> > > >>>>> We have a 100 mile race in the spring and a 50 miler in the 
>fall.
> > > >>> Lots
> > > >>>> of
> > > >>>>> folks from Eagle Creek
> > > >>>>> come here for those. A few were here last weekend and they are
> > > >>> some of
> > > >>>> our
> > > >>>>> favorite friends.
> > > >>>>> Come down and crew with us next year! We are ALWAYS hunting 
>crew.
>We
> > > >>>> require
> > > >>>>> a minimum of 6
> > > >>>>> for spinnaker. We took 9 on the 100 miler last year and were not
> > > >>>> crowded!
> > > >>>>> Too many jobs to do.
> > > >>>>> Anne
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > >>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Charles
> > > >>> Henthorn
> > > >>>>> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:10 PM
> > > >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Ann:
> > > >>>>> Same here (mid-central western Indiana) --- great winds -- raced
> > > >>>>> Saturday --- but cried all night last night having tarped my 
>boat
> > > >>>> yesterday.
> > > >>>>> I would have guessed your season could extend more at Ky Lake
> > > >>> than here.
> > > >>>>> Do you race your Rhodes. I'm finding I'm very competitive on the
> > > >>> runs
> > > >>>>> but can't seem to get the 175% to point up enough on the 
>reaches.
> > > >>> Do you
> > > >>>>> race and, if so, have you found a way to point up higher than 
>the
> > > >>>> Santana's
> > > >>>>> and Flying Scots I try to race against?
> > > >>>>> Rex
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> anima13 wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Man, did we have a BLOW-OUT weekend!!!!!
> > > >>>>> Sailed all day Friday and 4 boats rafted up overnight.
> > > >>>>> Played guitar, sang, ate and drank.
> > > >>>>> Our friends from Indy came down so that gave it much more of a
> > > >>>>> party-atmosphere. Sure were some gorgeous days on KY Lake.
> > > >>>>> That is the lastest we have rafted-up. Our last latest was Nov
>1st.
> > > >>>>> Was cool in the night but the sun was very warm right away in 
>the
> > > >>>>> morning.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Hope y'all had as great a time as we did.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Anne
> > > >>>>>
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