[Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Sun Feb 12 15:12:25 EST 2006
Michael,
Thanks, looks like a great non-answer.
I've got to go out and make a dent in the snow.
Will get back to this upon return.
Bill Effros
Michel Meltzer wrote:
>Remember I have no "fat in the fire" for this one,
>
>I would forget that the PTE even exits, the issue I have is you will
>need the same locations that the PTE use to attach the snaps, you have
>nice simple clean line if you attach every thing to the mast cabin side
>/ forward the same way the PTE does. If you stop it early to meet the
>PTE it will be a nightmare and you have very like hope for any type of
>"rain proof"
>
>The boom is as a main support is a great idea, with the "straps" holding
>it to it, BTW it would use those "turn sideway" clips you see on sail
>covers vs Velcro.
>
>The toping lift will be a problem; I would replace the standard "knot"
>with some type of clip so you can thread it thought the roof.
>
>
>Now for a new idea, I hope you are able to follow it:
>
>To support the roof, I would put a series of "folder able carbon fiber
>tent rods" in the roof running port to starboard in "pockets" sween into
>the roof underside, sized to match the outer hull shape(but trappers in
>by the cabin to act like a PTE), for example every foot fore to aft.
>The rods only are in the roof.
>
>Think in terms of adjustable nylon straps, the one that connected to the
>roof at one end, about 5 feet long, have a buckle to adjunct length and
>a clip on the end.
>
>Next, there is no "stiff" side supports. I would take the straps from
>the roof(assuming a strap where every rod end meets the roof) and bring
>is to a small stainless footman at or below the outer hull rubrail, just
>clip it on. The rubrail and hull corner should seal out bugs, Then
>tighten(they are preset after the first use) to form a "bow" in the
>roof, nice shape to shed water and should hold up to any wind, what also
>nice because most of it outside the hull there is "give" to adjust to a
>boat. Us spans by the cabin, companion way like the PTE does now. Stop
>the roof at the end of the boom and bring a set of strap down to the
>back deck, outside the rail and cut a slot for the tiller
>
>The strap are on the outside of the panels, they can passthought simple
>pockets in the side panles to help with "flapping" in the wind.
>
>-mjm
>PS. How that for an non answer :-)
>
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:52 PM
>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review
>>
>>Stan likes Slim's design--the whole cockpit plus cabin enclosure,
>>
>>
>going
>
>
>>forward of the mast.
>>
>>People who already own PTEs seem to favor Art's design, which covers
>>just the cockpit, and connects to the Pop Top, with or without the
>>enclosure depending on what it is to be used for.
>>
>>Both have removable panels.
>>
>>Slim's design would cost less for the entire shooting match.
>>
>>Art's design is easier to put up, doesn't block forward access, and
>>
>>
>can
>
>
>>be built out of top quality materials for roughly $1,000. It should
>>
>>
>be
>
>
>>possible to modify Art's design so it extends over the cabin, but this
>>would add cost without providing owners of PTEs any additional
>>
>>
>benefits
>
>
>>(that I can see.)
>>
>>What do you think?
>>
>>BTW -- do you have a boom room on the Seward? If I understand Art's
>>design, it could be modified for other high-boomed boats.
>>
>>Bill Effros
>>
>>Michel Meltzer wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Up to a point, what do you have in mind -mjm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
>>>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:34 PM
>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review
>>>>
>>>>Michael,
>>>>
>>>>Since we've got nothing better to do, have you been keeping up with
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Boom Room discussion?
>>>>
>>>>Bill Effros
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Michel Meltzer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I guess I live in the land of deckahance, the plow guy is due :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>-mjm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
>>>>>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:11 PM
>>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, ---Ed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Michael,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's time for my winter toy! Time to bring out the little backhoe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>shovel the driveway. Since my driveway is over 100 yards long, it
>>>>>>really makes a difference. This amount of snow will take a couple
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>hours to shovel with the front end loader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As soon as the snow stops, I'll hop on my pony...actually it's a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Kubota.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Bill Effros
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Michel Meltzer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Did they put up the "home land defenses" posters btw you, about
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>the
>
>
>>>>>>>executions zones? Or was that executions zones :-) I thing we are
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>going
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>to psycho ED out about sailing around here. my question for the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>day,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>what about sailing a rhodes22 in a foot of snow. BTW I see you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>can
>
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>post
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>so Greenwich did not have it power screwed yet :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-mjm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
>>>>>>>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:53 AM
>>>>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, ---Ed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How about sonar? To spot the subs? Could rig a fishfinder...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Michel Meltzer wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Radar is overkill, but mostly due to price, size and power
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>draw.
>
>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>-mjm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Bodnar
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:15 AM
>>>>>>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, ---Ed
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Ed,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I think you are missing a point ... although I'm going to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>defend
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>two.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>When I buy a new car, I option all the latest safety
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>equipment,
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>but
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>not planning for an accident. I'm spending the bucks on all
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>that
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>extra
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>equipment, so that if there is an accident, and if some one
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>should
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>get
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>hurt, I will know that we had the best chance of survival
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>available
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Now I've been lucky, I've been out in fog only once, and we
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>decided
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>we would go out anyway to experience it. It was an excellent
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>learning
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>experience, not necessarily a good day sailing. We took
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>precautions,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>by
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>sailing in relatively shallow water, (an R22 advantage) to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>stay
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>out
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>way of faster more powerful boats. As I said, a learning
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>experience;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>which, I'm sure, will make us better prepared to handle fog
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>when
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>we
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>out on that clear sunny day in the middle of lake Erie and the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>fog
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>just
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>closes in. At that time I will want the best equipment
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>available,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>will want a GPS to confirm my position and help me make
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>decisions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>should I
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>be near the shipping channels. If radar was practical on an
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>R22,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'd
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>it. However, I've just read about a radio transponder system
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>that
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>commercial vessels are required to use, and monitoring it with
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>a
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>MAPPING
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>GPS attached, sounds like a more reliable method of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>identifying
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>big
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>ships
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>in the area. As I said the best equipment available.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The second point: Boys and their toys. Some of us take pride
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>in
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>our
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>skills and accomplishments, in a minimalist fashion, and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>others
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>us
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>get
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>great enjoyment in pressing buttons and watching little teeny
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>boxes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>do
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>magic that wasn't even possible with a room full of computers
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>using
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Kilo-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>watts of power, a few short years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Dan Bodnar
>>>>>>>>>>S/V QOL (Quality of Life)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Feb 12, 2006 9:41 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, Wally, Mary Lou, big spenders
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>The GPS is great, but how much GPS is necessary? Is
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>external
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>antenna
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>necessary on a Rhodes 22? A good hand held is all that is
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>necessary.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>The big bucks some want to spend for color wide screen
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>chartplotter
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>utter waste.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Wally do you have a mount with external antenna for your
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>kayak?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>For night sailing on Lake Hartwell we do not have one
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>lighthouse,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>especially
>>>>>>>>>>>not Michael's ten lighthouses. Shipping channels? Yea we
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>have
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>main
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>channel but as Rummy will tell you about an affair with the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Carver,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>they
>>>>>>>>>>>are the ones on autopilot, not the small boats.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>These newbies maybe should learn their boat before they sail
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>in
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>fog,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>night
>>>>>>>>>>> or navigate at night or potentially foul weather far from
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>home
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>port.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>By that time
>>>>>>>>>>> the gear will be outdated.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As for that Maine sailor who navigates around icebergs to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>his
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>island
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>retreat, his fellow
>>>>>>>>>>> Eskimos did it in kayaks without GPS. Maybe he should
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>consider
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Eskimo day camp?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Those worried about getting struck need one of those radar
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>units
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>hazard
>>>>>>>>>>> approching warning attached to good klaxon. You know like
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>on
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>submarine, dive, dive!
>>>>>>>>>>> Listen here:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.classic-car-accessories.co.uk/acatalog/soundtklaxonred.h
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>t
>
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>m
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>l
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (Those units are available, but might have a large battery
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>draw,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>where
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>is that spread sheet.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Ed K
>>>>>>>>>>>Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>>View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.nabble.com/Rhodes-22-in-fog-low-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>visibility-Re%3A-GPS-reply-t1104918.html#a2896741
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Sent from the Rhodes22 forum at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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