[Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review

Michel Meltzer mjm at michaelmeltzer.com
Sun Feb 12 14:46:41 EST 2006 

Remember I have no "fat in the fire" for this one, 

I would forget that the PTE even exits, the issue I have is you will
need the same locations that the PTE use to attach the snaps, you have
nice simple clean line if you attach every thing to the mast cabin side
/ forward the same way the PTE does. If you stop it early to meet the
PTE it will be a nightmare and you have very like hope for any type of
"rain proof"

The boom is as a main support is a great idea, with the "straps" holding
it to it, BTW it would use those "turn sideway" clips you see on sail
covers vs Velcro.

The toping lift will be a problem; I would replace the standard "knot"
with some type of clip so you can thread it thought the roof.


Now for a new idea, I hope you are able to follow it:

To support the roof, I would put a series of "folder able carbon fiber
tent rods" in the roof running port to starboard in "pockets" sween into
the roof underside, sized to match the outer hull shape(but trappers in
by the cabin to act like a PTE),  for example every foot fore to aft.
The rods only are in the roof.

Think in terms of adjustable nylon straps, the one that connected to the
roof at one end, about 5 feet long, have a buckle to adjunct length and
a clip on the end.

Next, there is no "stiff" side supports. I would take the straps from
the roof(assuming a strap where every rod end meets the roof) and bring
is to a small stainless footman at or below the outer hull rubrail, just
clip it on. The rubrail and hull corner should seal out bugs,  Then
tighten(they are preset after the first use) to form a "bow" in the
roof, nice shape to shed water and should hold up to any wind, what also
nice because most of it outside the hull there is "give" to adjust to a
boat. Us spans by the cabin, companion way like the PTE does now. Stop
the roof at the end of the boom and bring a set of strap down to the
back deck, outside the rail and cut a slot for the tiller

The strap are on the outside of the panels, they can passthought simple
pockets in the side panles to help with "flapping" in the wind.

-mjm
PS. How that for an non answer :-) 
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
> bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:52 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review
> 
> Stan likes Slim's design--the whole cockpit plus cabin enclosure,
going
> forward of the mast.
> 
> People who already own PTEs seem to favor Art's design, which covers
> just the cockpit, and connects to the Pop Top, with or without the
> enclosure depending on what it is to be used for.
> 
> Both have removable panels.
> 
> Slim's design would cost less for the entire shooting match.
> 
> Art's design is easier to put up, doesn't block forward access, and
can
> be built out of top quality materials for roughly $1,000.  It should
be
> possible to modify Art's design so it extends over the cabin, but this
> would add cost without providing owners of PTEs any additional
benefits
> (that I can see.)
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> BTW -- do you have a boom room on the Seward?  If I understand Art's
> design, it could be modified for other high-boomed boats.
> 
> Bill Effros
> 
> Michel Meltzer wrote:
> 
> >Up to a point, what do you have in mind -mjm
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
> >>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
> >>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:34 PM
> >>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review
> >>
> >>Michael,
> >>
> >>Since we've got nothing better to do, have you been keeping up with
> >>
> >>
> >the
> >
> >
> >>Boom Room discussion?
> >>
> >>Bill Effros
> >>
> >>
> >>Michel Meltzer wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I guess I live in the land of deckahance, the plow guy is due :-)
> >>>
> >>>-mjm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
> >>>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
> >>>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:11 PM
> >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, ---Ed
> >>>>
> >>>>Michael,
> >>>>
> >>>>It's time for my winter toy!  Time to bring out the little backhoe
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >to
> >
> >
> >>>>shovel the driveway.  Since my driveway is over 100 yards long, it
> >>>>really makes a difference.  This amount of snow will take a couple
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >of
> >
> >
> >>>>hours to shovel with the front end loader.
> >>>>
> >>>>As soon as the snow stops, I'll hop on my pony...actually it's a
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Kubota.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Bill Effros
> >>>>
> >>>>Michel Meltzer wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Did they put up the "home land defenses" posters btw you, about
the
> >>>>>executions zones? Or was that executions zones :-) I thing we are
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>going
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>to psycho ED out about sailing around here.  my question for the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >day,
> >
> >
> >>>>>what about sailing a rhodes22 in a foot of snow. BTW I see you
can
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>post
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>so Greenwich did not have it power screwed yet :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>-mjm
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
> >>>>>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
> >>>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:53 AM
> >>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, ---Ed
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>How about sonar?  To spot the subs?  Could rig a fishfinder...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Bill Effros
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Michel Meltzer wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Radar is overkill, but mostly due to price, size and power
draw.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>-mjm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-
> >>>>>>>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Bodnar
> >>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:15 AM
> >>>>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, ---Ed
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Ed,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I think you are missing a point ... although I'm going to
defend
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>two.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>When I buy a new car, I option all the latest safety
equipment,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>but
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>I'm
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>not planning for an accident.  I'm spending the bucks on all
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >that
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>equipment, so that if there is an accident, and if some one
> >>>>>>>>
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> >should
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> >>>>>get
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> >>>>>>>>hurt, I will know that we had the best chance of survival
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>time.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Now I've been lucky, I've been out in fog only once, and we
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>decided
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> >>>>>>>>we would go out anyway to experience it.   It was an excellent
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>learning
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>experience, not necessarily a good day sailing.  We took
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>precautions,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>by
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>sailing in relatively shallow water, (an R22 advantage) to
stay
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>out
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>of
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> >>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>way of faster more powerful boats.  As I said, a learning
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>experience;
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>which, I'm sure, will make us better prepared to handle fog
when
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>we
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>are
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>out on that clear sunny day in the middle of lake Erie and the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >fog
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>just
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>closes in.  At that time I will want the best equipment
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >available,
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>will want a GPS to confirm my position and help me make
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >decisions
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>should I
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>be near the shipping channels.  If radar was practical on an
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >R22,
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>I'd
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>have
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>it.  However, I've just read about a radio transponder system
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >that
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>>commercial vessels are required to use, and monitoring it with
a
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>MAPPING
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>GPS attached, sounds like a more reliable method of
identifying
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>big
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>ships
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>in the area.  As I said the best equipment available.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>The second point:  Boys and their toys.  Some of us take pride
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >in
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>our
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>skills and accomplishments, in a minimalist fashion, and
others
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >of
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>us
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>get
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>great enjoyment in pressing buttons and watching little teeny
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>boxes
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>do
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>magic  that wasn't even possible with a room full of computers
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>using
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Kilo-
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>watts of power, a few short years ago.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Dan Bodnar
> >>>>>>>>S/V QOL (Quality of Life)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
> >>>>>>>>>Sent: Feb 12, 2006 9:41 AM
> >>>>>>>>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>>>>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, Wally, Mary Lou, big spenders
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The GPS is great, but how much GPS is necessary?  Is
external
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>antenna
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> necessary on a Rhodes 22?  A good hand held is all that is
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>necessary.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The big bucks some want to spend for color wide screen
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>chartplotter
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>is
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>utter waste.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Wally do you have a mount with external antenna for your
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>kayak?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> For night sailing on Lake Hartwell we do not have one
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>lighthouse,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>especially
> >>>>>>>>> not Michael's ten lighthouses.  Shipping channels?  Yea we
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>have
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> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> channel but as Rummy will tell you about an affair with the
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Carver,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>they
> >>>>>>>>> are the ones on autopilot, not the small boats.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> These newbies maybe should learn their boat before they sail
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>in
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>fog,
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>at
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>night
> >>>>>>>>>  or navigate at night or potentially foul weather far from
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>home
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>port.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>By that time
> >>>>>>>>>  the gear will be outdated.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  As for that Maine sailor who navigates around icebergs to
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >his
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>island
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>retreat, his fellow
> >>>>>>>>>  Eskimos did it in kayaks without GPS.   Maybe he should
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>consider
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Eskimo day camp?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  Those worried about getting struck need one of those radar
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>units
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> >>>>>>>>with
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>hazard
> >>>>>>>>>  approching warning attached to good klaxon.  You know like
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >on
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>submarine, dive, dive!
> >>>>>>>>>  Listen here:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>http://www.classic-car-accessories.co.uk/acatalog/soundtklaxonred.h
t
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >m
> >
> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>l
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  (Those units are available, but might have a large battery
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>draw,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>where
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>is that spread sheet.)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Ed K
> >>>>>>>>>Greenville, SC, USA
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>--
> >>>>>>>>>View this message in context:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>http://www.nabble.com/Rhodes-22-in-fog-low-
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>visibility-Re%3A-GPS-reply-t1104918.html#a2896741
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Sent from the Rhodes22 forum at Nabble.com.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>__________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>__________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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