[Rhodes22-list] Reply to Jeff

Wed Jan 25 10:15:19 EST 2006

Jeff, I think if you check with the marinas in your area they can tell you
about pump out services.  We went with the fully encolsed head.

Dave

On 1/25/06, jherbert <jherbert at entermail.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> Thanks for the welcome.  Since I'm looking at a recycled boat,
> I was inquiring about the differences between
> the semi-enclosed floorplan, and the powder room floorplan on a newer
> boat.  GB can upgrade to the powder room, but, I was wondering if it
> is worth doing.  It sounds like they are pretty close.  I'll probably
> go with the marine head, the port-o-potties seem too small for all but
> 2 people, and 1 overnight, and no #2's if you know what I mean....
> but, since I'm trailering most of the time,
> I wonder how to empty the tank if i'm not at a marina....  I think
> campsites sewers are gravity fed  ie.  campers pull up and hook up
> and dump by gravity.  Sounds like the boat has to be pumped....
>
> -- Jeff
>
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:35:48 -0500, David Bradley wrote
> > Jeff, welcome.  I'm also a relative newbie -- my new R22 will be
> delivered
> > in March.  As mentioned, there was a considerable exchange on this
> > topic a couple of months ago.  At the end of the day of course it's
> > all about personal preference, but a number of factors were raised.
> > Are you on a mooring where it is harder to transport a porta tank,
> > or at a slip where it's easier?  How accessible are pump out
> > facilities?  We opted for a marine head because we'll be at a
> > mooring and there is a pump out service in our harbor.
> >
> > Also, the book, *Sailing Small* is a very enjoyable read, and Mary Lou's
> > chapter on weekend cruising in a Rhodes 22 is great.  I highly recommend
> > it!  I'm also just finishing *Nigel Calder's Cruising Handbook*,
> > which, although geared more to offshore cruising, is loaded with
> > information I found useful as a first-time owner of anything over 17'.
> >
> > Dave Bradley
> >
> > On 1/24/06, Mary Lou Troy <mltroy at verizon.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Jeff,
> > > Someone asked a similar question a while back. The question I was
> > > answering
> > > was requesting more a comparison of installed marine heads vs. porta
> > > poties
> > > but this is what I replied then:
> > > "To quote from "Sailing Small", "we decided that the cabin seemed
> roomier
> > > in the boats with a semi-enclosed head. We chose a portable toilet
> because
> > > it was simpler than a marine head. While pumpouts are widely available
> on
> > > the Chesapeake, there is always the chance we might want to trailer to
> > > places where pumpouts are unavailable. The portable toilet is easy
> enough
> > > to bring home to clean and we don't have to bother with fixing head
> > > problems at the marina."
> > >
> > > The more time we spend a marina with big boats, the happier I am with
> the
> > > portable toilet. People see to be always fixing head problems. We
> don't
> > > have any. Most of the time we just bring the head home to empty it. It
> > > takes only a minute or two to empty it and give it a good rinse. If we
> are
> > > out cruising, we generally stop every second or third day to stay at a
> > > marina, get a shower and empty the head. If we plan to be out longer,
> we
> > > do
> > > have an extra bottom with the holding tank for our portable toilet. It
> > > doubles the length of time we can be out."
> > >
> > > If you are concerned about the space - it is really a matter of
> personal
> > > preference and that may be governed by how you expect to use the boat.
> If
> > > you are just going to be using the head on daysails, it may not matter
> > > much
> > > either way. We live aboard the boat most weekends from April through
> > > October and we wanted every inch of space in the cabin. We use the
> v-berth
> > > for storage and sleep in the cabin and found a way to make the
> > > semi-enclosed head fairly accessible. I'm not sure how the enclosed
> head
> > > works with the cabin berth set up You should take a look at both
> layouts.
> > > Fretless (with the semi-enclosed head) is in our backyard here in Fort
> > > Washington PA and you are welcome to come take a look.
> > >
> > > BTW, the book I was referring to is "Sailing Small: Inspiration and
> > > Instruction for the Pocket Cruiser" edited by Stan Grayson, Devereux
> > > Books.
> > > I wrote Ch 5.
> > >
> > > Mary Lou
> > > 1991 R22 Fretless
> > > Ft. Washington, PA / Swan Creek, MD
> > >
> > >
> > > At 09:05 AM 1/24/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >Hi Ed,
> > > >
> > > >I'm here the Lehigh Valley of Pa, impatiently waiting for winter to
> pass
> > > by.
> > > >I have a first mate, and several crew members. I hope to spend most
> of
> > > >my time in the Finger Lakes of NY (Lake Cayuga). I'm located about
> 2.5hrs
> > > >from Raystown Lake in Pa, and about the same from the Chesapeake, and
> a
> > > little
> > > >less from NJ shore.  There are several smaller lakes close by that
> have
> > > 23'
> > > >restrictions, so, the Rhodes fits in these also.
> > > >Yes, I'm looking for a good sailing school to get the
> > > >basic keelboat certification, so, thanks for the information.
> > > >
> > > >Although the port-o-pottie vs. head discussion was very interesting,
> > > >Actually, I was wondering if there was a difference in the floorplan
> > > >of the semi-enclose head, vs. the enclosed head.
> > > >My first mate thinks the powder room is the way to go also...
> > > >
> > > >I'll try out the search engine.
> > > >
> > > >-- Jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:53:27 -0800 (PST), Tootle (sent by Nabble.com)
> > > wrote
> > > > > Jeff:
> > > > >      Welcome aboard.  Did you pickup the flotsam directed at
> Captain
> > > > > Larry walker?  Commodore Bob Weber runs a real ASA sailing school,
> > > > > see:  http://www.odysseysailing.com/favorite.htm  I have been
> trying
> > > > > for years to get him to blow his fog horn.  He is halfway getting
> > > > > there, but needs to give his site.     Looking at a '88 recycle?
> > > > >  Hum, do we know another '88 on these waters.  I have a 84 with
> the
> > > > > portapottie set up behind the bulkhead.  Having seen the newer
> > > > > enclosed heads, I recommend the powder room.       You ought to
> > > > > learn how to search the archives.  We recently had a good
> discussion
> > > > > of marine head versus portapottie.  See:
> > > > >  http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2006-
> > > > > January/028274.html for searching instructions.        I noticed
> > > > > that you jumped in without telling us where you are, do you have a
> > > > > first mate, you know the important things.  Have you looked at:
> > > > > http://www.frappr.com/rhodes22  For some unknown reason it is hard
> > > > > to get people to post their location.  There are many more Rhodies
> > > > > out there than are on the Frapper site.  We even have bashful
> > > > > Rhodies in Canada, imagine that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ed K
> > > > > Greenville, SC, USA
> > > > > http://www.sas.usace.army.mil/lakes/hartwell/
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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> > > > > Walker-t975927.html#a2547461 Sent from the Rhodes22 forum at
> > > Nabble.com.
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