[Rhodes22-list] Reply to Jeff

Wed Jan 25 18:13:25 EST 2006

Dave -

We are newbies getting our first Rhodes, a recycled '86, and will be mooring
it at Grass Island. Delivery date unknown. We also opted for the enclosed
marine head due to the fact that it will be moored, and there is a pump out
station there. I was not up to trying to handle a porta potty without a
slip.
Andrew

On 1/25/06, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Jeff, I think if you check with the marinas in your area they can tell you
> about pump out services.  We went with the fully encolsed head.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On 1/25/06, jherbert <jherbert at entermail.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > Thanks for the welcome.  Since I'm looking at a recycled boat,
> > I was inquiring about the differences between
> > the semi-enclosed floorplan, and the powder room floorplan on a newer
> > boat.  GB can upgrade to the powder room, but, I was wondering if it
> > is worth doing.  It sounds like they are pretty close.  I'll probably
> > go with the marine head, the port-o-potties seem too small for all but
> > 2 people, and 1 overnight, and no #2's if you know what I mean....
> > but, since I'm trailering most of the time,
> > I wonder how to empty the tank if i'm not at a marina....  I think
> > campsites sewers are gravity fed  ie.  campers pull up and hook up
> > and dump by gravity.  Sounds like the boat has to be pumped....
> >
> > -- Jeff
> >
> > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:35:48 -0500, David Bradley wrote
> > > Jeff, welcome.  I'm also a relative newbie -- my new R22 will be
> > delivered
> > > in March.  As mentioned, there was a considerable exchange on this
> > > topic a couple of months ago.  At the end of the day of course it's
> > > all about personal preference, but a number of factors were raised.
> > > Are you on a mooring where it is harder to transport a porta tank,
> > > or at a slip where it's easier?  How accessible are pump out
> > > facilities?  We opted for a marine head because we'll be at a
> > > mooring and there is a pump out service in our harbor.
> > >
> > > Also, the book, *Sailing Small* is a very enjoyable read, and Mary
> Lou's
> > > chapter on weekend cruising in a Rhodes 22 is great.  I highly
> recommend
> > > it!  I'm also just finishing *Nigel Calder's Cruising Handbook*,
> > > which, although geared more to offshore cruising, is loaded with
> > > information I found useful as a first-time owner of anything over 17'.
> > >
> > > Dave Bradley
> > >
> > > On 1/24/06, Mary Lou Troy <mltroy at verizon.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jeff,
> > > > Someone asked a similar question a while back. The question I was
> > > > answering
> > > > was requesting more a comparison of installed marine heads vs. porta
> > > > poties
> > > > but this is what I replied then:
> > > > "To quote from "Sailing Small", "we decided that the cabin seemed
> > roomier
> > > > in the boats with a semi-enclosed head. We chose a portable toilet
> > because
> > > > it was simpler than a marine head. While pumpouts are widely
> available
> > on
> > > > the Chesapeake, there is always the chance we might want to trailer
> to
> > > > places where pumpouts are unavailable. The portable toilet is easy
> > enough
> > > > to bring home to clean and we don't have to bother with fixing head
> > > > problems at the marina."
> > > >
> > > > The more time we spend a marina with big boats, the happier I am
> with
> > the
> > > > portable toilet. People see to be always fixing head problems. We
> > don't
> > > > have any. Most of the time we just bring the head home to empty it.
> It
> > > > takes only a minute or two to empty it and give it a good rinse. If
> we
> > are
> > > > out cruising, we generally stop every second or third day to stay at
> a
> > > > marina, get a shower and empty the head. If we plan to be out
> longer,
> > we
> > > > do
> > > > have an extra bottom with the holding tank for our portable toilet.
> It
> > > > doubles the length of time we can be out."
> > > >
> > > > If you are concerned about the space - it is really a matter of
> > personal
> > > > preference and that may be governed by how you expect to use the
> boat.
> > If
> > > > you are just going to be using the head on daysails, it may not
> matter
> > > > much
> > > > either way. We live aboard the boat most weekends from April through
> > > > October and we wanted every inch of space in the cabin. We use the
> > v-berth
> > > > for storage and sleep in the cabin and found a way to make the
> > > > semi-enclosed head fairly accessible. I'm not sure how the enclosed
> > head
> > > > works with the cabin berth set up You should take a look at both
> > layouts.
> > > > Fretless (with the semi-enclosed head) is in our backyard here in
> Fort
> > > > Washington PA and you are welcome to come take a look.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, the book I was referring to is "Sailing Small: Inspiration and
> > > > Instruction for the Pocket Cruiser" edited by Stan Grayson, Devereux
> > > > Books.
> > > > I wrote Ch 5.
> > > >
> > > > Mary Lou
> > > > 1991 R22 Fretless
> > > > Ft. Washington, PA / Swan Creek, MD
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 09:05 AM 1/24/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> > > > >Hi Ed,
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm here the Lehigh Valley of Pa, impatiently waiting for winter to
> > pass
> > > > by.
> > > > >I have a first mate, and several crew members. I hope to spend most
> > of
> > > > >my time in the Finger Lakes of NY (Lake Cayuga). I'm located about
> > 2.5hrs
> > > > >from Raystown Lake in Pa, and about the same from the Chesapeake,
> and
> > a
> > > > little
> > > > >less from NJ shore.  There are several smaller lakes close by that
> > have
> > > > 23'
> > > > >restrictions, so, the Rhodes fits in these also.
> > > > >Yes, I'm looking for a good sailing school to get the
> > > > >basic keelboat certification, so, thanks for the information.
> > > > >
> > > > >Although the port-o-pottie vs. head discussion was very
> interesting,
> > > > >Actually, I was wondering if there was a difference in the
> floorplan
> > > > >of the semi-enclose head, vs. the enclosed head.
> > > > >My first mate thinks the powder room is the way to go also...
> > > > >
> > > > >I'll try out the search engine.
> > > > >
> > > > >-- Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:53:27 -0800 (PST), Tootle (sent by
> Nabble.com)
> > > > wrote
> > > > > > Jeff:
> > > > > >      Welcome aboard.  Did you pickup the flotsam directed at
> > Captain
> > > > > > Larry walker?  Commodore Bob Weber runs a real ASA sailing
> school,
> > > > > > see:  http://www.odysseysailing.com/favorite.htm  I have been
> > trying
> > > > > > for years to get him to blow his fog horn.  He is halfway
> getting
> > > > > > there, but needs to give his site.     Looking at a '88 recycle?
> > > > > >  Hum, do we know another '88 on these waters.  I have a 84 with
> > the
> > > > > > portapottie set up behind the bulkhead.  Having seen the newer
> > > > > > enclosed heads, I recommend the powder room.       You ought to
> > > > > > learn how to search the archives.  We recently had a good
> > discussion
> > > > > > of marine head versus portapottie.  See:
> > > > > >  http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2006-
> > > > > > January/028274.html for searching instructions.        I noticed
> > > > > > that you jumped in without telling us where you are, do you have
> a
> > > > > > first mate, you know the important things.  Have you looked at:
> > > > > > http://www.frappr.com/rhodes22  For some unknown reason it is
> hard
> > > > > > to get people to post their location.  There are many more
> Rhodies
> > > > > > out there than are on the Frapper site.  We even have bashful
> > > > > > Rhodies in Canada, imagine that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ed K
> > > > > > Greenville, SC, USA
> > > > > > http://www.sas.usace.army.mil/lakes/hartwell/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
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Andrew