[Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Design

[William P. Barry, III]

I'll get to the boom room description and my view on it tomorrow, just keep 
on top of me in case i put it off but between the Rhodes and the Seaward 
there was a lot of learning experiences with the design.

Will Barry
wp.barry at att.net




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William P. Barry, III" <wp.barry at att.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Design


> Interested in Bimini Room Ideas: See current photos:
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> http://www.rhodes22.org/wpb/biminiroom/
>
> Will Barry
> wp.barry at att.net
>
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>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Design
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>
>> Bob,
>>
>> Do you know anything about in-field installation of snaps?  Do you 
>> envision "do-it-yourself" or professional installation?
>>
>> If only the boom supports the fabric you wind up with what some call a 
>> "boom-tent"--sort of a high pup tent over your cockpit.  If the boom is 
>> used like a ridge pole, then you need some sort of  "rafters" to make the 
>> "walls" of the room vertical.  This can be done by providing a frame, 
>> which is, I believe, the approach used in Slim's boat, or by draping 
>> rafters over the boom and securing them...somehow.  Some people seem to 
>> use line secured to stays to keep the roof angle from going down too 
>> sharply and depriving the room of a "roomy" feeling.
>>
>> Assembling and disassembling this structure takes time, and the poles 
>> take up space.  Stan would like the whole room to fit into a Rubbermaid 
>> Container.
>>
>> If there are poles holding up the sides of the room, what do the poles go 
>> into?
>>
>> Panels will take longer to assemble than a one piece job, and the 
>> resulting structure won't be as strong or tight.
>>
>> Slim, Will, Russell -- most of us have never seen a boom room except for 
>> your pictures and Stan's.  We are like the blind men and the elephant. 
>> We know you like what you got, and we want something like that, too. 
>> Your experience is most valued.  Please jump in.
>>
>> Stan will jump in when he gets ready.  He knows what has been right, and 
>> wrong with all of his previous attempts.
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>> Bob Keller wrote:
>>
>>> Bill,
>>> My comments are in CAPS.
>>> Bob K
>>>
>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> To: R22 List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Design
>>>> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:05:08 -0500
>>>>
>>>> Trying to summarize the cumulative wisdom on Boom Rooms, (and I know I 
>>>> can count on you to correct me if I got something wrong):
>>>>
>>>> 1.  We anticipate an add-on to the existing Pop Top Enclosure.  GREAT!
>>>>
>>>> 2.  It won't be a "Bimini Room". GREAT
>>>>
>>>> 3.  Fabric material, screens, windows will be similar to PTE. YES
>>>>
>>>> Here are things we need to discuss:
>>>>
>>>> 4.  The PTE-BR junction will be held together with Velcro (?) THAT 
>>>> MAKES SENSE
>>>>
>>>> 5.  What holds it up? THE BOOM IS THE MOST LOGICAL SUPPORT
>>>>
>>>> 6.  What holds what holds it up?  (Will this work on all boats?) THE 
>>>> BOOM AGAIN!
>>>>
>>>> 7.  Panels or One Piece.  The BR might have more uses if it went up 
>>>> PANELS SOUND BEST
>>>> in panels.  One panel could be used as a sun shade if it could be 
>>>> mounted below the boom, and remained independent of the boom so it 
>>>> could be used instead of a Bimini while sailing.  Panels could be added 
>>>> over time to reduce the initial cost.  But the resulting structure 
>>>> wouldn't be as solid.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 8.  And how about:
>>>>
>>>> On-site installation techniques -- Snaps must be added to boats? YES
>>>>
>>>> Multiple Use Considerations --
>>>>
>>>> Are removable battens in the fabric viable for structural support? 
>>>> SUPPORT PERPENDICULAR TO THE BOOM MUST BE STRONG BUT ARE CRITICAL
>>>>
>>>> Can the stays be used for support? MAYBE
>>>>
>>>> Can the topping lift be used for support? YES
>>>>
>>>> Can the structure be tied down instead of snapped into position?  I 
>>>> WOULD PREFER SNAPS FOR SECURITY, SIMPLICITY AND A BETTER FIT.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It appears there are 4-5 somewhat solid orders for Boom Rooms.  This is 
>>>> enough to make patterns, and commission work.  Stan is welcome to take 
>>>> whatever he wants from this deal, we just would like to get the best 
>>>> Boom Rooms that have ever been made.
>>>>
>>>> Dave will be going down to Edenton to make final decisions for his own 
>>>> boat, and to find out from Stan where he wants to be in the Boom Room 
>>>> Syndicate.  Any thoughts on this matter from anyone are welcome.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>
>>>>
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