[Rhodes22-list] New Sails, CDI

[George Carpenter]

Thanks, Peter, and I'd appreciate the results of your selection process...if 
you don't mind sharing.

    George C.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Sails, CDI


> George,
>
> I haven't really thought that far yet.  I'm still trying to run a business
> *and* deal with my "boat problem" -- 4 sailboats.  Can only sail one at 
> any
> given time.   They say admitting you have a problem is the first step. 
> Does
> anyone know the second step?
>
> I've had very good results over the years with Hunter Riddle, chief of
> Schurr Sails, Pensacola, FL.   Having been the class measurer for the 
> Tanzer
> 16 class, I've measured many one-design Schurr Sails.  They have the
> computerized cutting capacity to build sails to maximum size and know how 
> to
> use it.
>
> Mack Sails, also in FL, has a good reputation too.  And there's a new 
> Doyle
> Loft in Oriental run by Mark Weisenhiemer (sp?) who seems pretty 
> competent.
> A nice guy as well.
>
> So, being a GC, I'll probably just write up a spec and put out to bid.
> Logical, right?
>
> PT
>
> R22 s/v Raven
> R22 s/v Phoenix
> T16 1427
> T16 161
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "George Carpenter" <geocarp3 at mchsi.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Sails, CDI
>
>
>> Peter:  I, too, want to replace my 175 genoa...and for the same reasons.
>> Where do you plan to purchase your 155?
>>
>>     George
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 10:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Sails, CDI
>>
>>
>> > Rod,
>> >
>> > For what it's worth Raven's CDI FF2 is a bit longer than the pin-to-pin
>> > dimension minus 12 1/4".  I think the CDI is about 5 or 6" less than 
>> > the
>> > forestay pin-to-pin.  It has always worked very well.
>> >
>> > Raven's CDI might have been rigged by GBI or perhaps PO once-removed
> Gary
>> > Stanford.  Mark Kaynor purchased the boat from Gary in about 2001 and 
>> > in
>> > early 2005 ago sold it to me.  The 175, however, is cut about 12" less
> in
>> > the luff than the CDI length, or about 17-18" inches short of the
>> > masthead.
>> > I don't know why sailmakers leave so much luff area unused, but it 
>> > seems
>> > to
>> > be commonly done. I wonder if the uppers stays are an issue?
>> >
>> > I like your selection of sails and am considering a higher clewed and
> full
>> > luffed 155 to replace Raven's aging and original decksweeping 175.  In
>> > light
>> > air (under 4) it's difficult to fill Raven's old Lee Sails 175 because
> the
>> > cloth is too heavy.  At 15 knots the 175 is too much sail and must be
>> > furled.  So, I'm thinking a fuller luffed 155 of 3.4 oz Dacron cloth
> might
>> > work better.  With a higher clew (check out the higher clewed Genoa in
> the
>> > opening photo on the GBI website) perhaps the headsail would tack more
>> > easily too, keeping the clew above the turnbuckles etc. In light air 
>> > (we
>> > have lots in the summer) I sit on the lee side and a higher clew would
>> > also
>> > allow better vision under the leeward bow headsail foot.  Lastly, the
> 155
>> > would be best for PHRF racing to avoid a rating penalty.  Unless I 
>> > learn
>> > of
>> > a good reason not to, I plan to order the sail full luff. It seems a no
>> > brainer to collect all the available sail area for the same LP
>> > measurement.
>> >
>> > Raven came with a 2003 high clewed Mack Sails main. It's a nice sail 
>> > and
>> > furls very well, but it's preventing me from purchasing one of  Stan's
>> > improved vertical batten mains.  That seems like a great idea!  I would
>> > like
>> > to know how your helm balances with you new sails.  Perhaps more area 
>> > in
>> > the
>> > main and less up front might improve a slight tendency for leeward helm
> in
>> > light air.
>> >
>> > Happy sailing,
>> >
>> > PT
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Ellner" <ellner at pressenter.com>
>> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:40 PM
>> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Sails, CDI
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> New vertical batten IMF main and 150% genoa and new CDI.
>> >>
>> >> I hope to take the old sails off this weekend. I'll try to get it done
> in
>> >> the early morning before the winds picks up.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks to Stan for the fast turn around time and good service.
>> >>
>> >> Right now I'm getting my courage up enough to cut the luff to match 
>> >> the
>> >> forestay. The directions look pretty straight forward.
>> >> The luff is to be cut 12 1/4" less than the pin to pin measurement of
> the
>> >> forestay. Has anyone done this recently?
>> >> My forestay measurement is 28'-4" with the turnbuckle at about mid
> point.
>> >>
>> >> Rod Ellner
>> >> Toy Blew
>> >>
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