[Rhodes22-list] Stove Safety Recall

[Mary Lou Troy]

Ours came with the older style "Camping Gaz" stove set into a stainless pan 
in the countertop. When it became hard to find that style canister 
(valveless, the stove had clamps which held the canister in place after a 
prong punctured the can), we bought a similar style stove that uses the 
"Camping Gaz" canisters with the valve. We were able to reuse the stainless 
pan with a few slight modicfications. This stove is also available at REI:
http://www.rei.com/product/27975.htm?vcat=REI_SSHP_CAMPING_TOC

Mary Lou


At 08:31 PM 6/19/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Dave,
>
>Our boat came with an older Kenyon and we wound up throwing it away because
>it was so dangerous.  The recall did not address the problem we had:  the
>fuel canister didn't fit right into its socket and would leak fuel and
>flames would come out from under the stove.  Pretty bad!  We're lucky we
>didn't burn the boat to the water line!
>
>We now use a Coleman Expedition two-burner that we wouldn't trade for
>anything.  We use it either in the cabin or out on the cockpit table.
>Available at Midwest Mountaineering or REI:
>
>http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=400000
>08000&productId=9320681&parent_category_rn=4500453&vcat=REI_SSHP_CAMPING_TOC
>
>Slim
>
>On 6/19/06 4:52 PM, "DCLewis1 at aol.com" <DCLewis1 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > The stove that came with our R22 is a Kenyon B23000. In checking around for
> > operating instructions for that stove I discovered it was subject to a 
> safety
> > recall.  I posted that info on 5/19/06.  For information regarding the
> > recall see:
> >
> > _www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml01/01198.html_
> > (http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml01/01198.html)
> > _http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_ppro/is_200107/ai_1124042216_
> > (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_ppro/is_200107/ai_1124042216)
> >
> >
> > Rather than flirt with disaster, I contacted Kenyon to find out about  the
> > recall.  The lady I spoke with @ Kenyon (Beth) told me that 
> indeed  there was
> > a
> > recall, the problem was that users would sometimes use the grill  that came
> > with the B2300 upside down (i.e. as stored), and heat radiated from  that
> > upside
> > down grill assembly radiated into the gas regulator assembly, things  got
> > hot, gas leaked, and there had been fires, people had been hurt, etc.   The
> > new
> > stove that they would send out in fulfillment of the recall had a 
> grill  that
> > could only be used one way and would solve that problem.
> >
> > We returned our stove and promptly got back a new stove and carrying 
> case  at
> > no charge (of course we had to pay the postage to mail our stove 
> back).   The
> > point of this present post is to report general features of the new stove,
> > Kenyon Express II model B23200.
> >
> > The new stove came in a black plastic container that looks good, but in no
> > more than 3 weeks of intermittent light handling has torn in one spot.  I
> > think it¹s a bit flimsy, but serviceable, as a way to store and carry the
> > stove.
> >
> > The stove is labeled: "Not for household use.  Gas-fired portable 
> cook  stove
> > for outdoor and indoor commercial use only."  I'm not sure 
> which  category we
> > fit into if the stove is installed in a galley.
> >
> > The gross form factor for the stove (length, width, height) is similar to
> > the old stove, it¹s as deep and thick as the B23000 but may be 1/2" shorter
> > (i.e. length parallel to the front edge of the counter-top).
> >
> > The stove is black and gets pretty hot just sitting in sunlight.  It¹s
> > awkward to touch and hold if it¹s been sitting in direct sunlight.  As I
> > recall,
> > the B23000 was green and did not get as hot.  If you are going to  use the
> > stove under the countertop, this is not an issue.  If you are going  to 
> use it
> > out
> > of doors, this may well be an issue.
> >
> > The pot supports are indeed attached directly to the stove top in a 
> way  that
> > they cannot be removed and used upside down.  This 
> means  when  installed in
> > the galley the stove top will always protrude above the counter-top  by 
> about
> > 3/4".  The top of the previous stove could be flipped so that 
> you  could have
> > a smooth counter-top and so that a cutting board could fit over 
> the  hole in
> > the counter-top for the stove.  With the new stove you will have to  put a
> > 3/4"
> > to 1" high border around  the cutting block, if you intend to  set it over
> > the stove top, and the stove top will always be protruding above the
> > countertop.
> >
> > The hips on the 4 pot supports that come up from the top of the stove are
> > spaced sufficiently far apart that the top will not pass freely through our
> > counter top (i.e. straight up),  but it's close; by passing one 
> side  through,
> > and then the other, it is possible to get the stove top through 
> the  counter
> > cut-out.  The possible problem is that the pot supports are close  to, or
> > bearing
> > against, the aluminum border that edges the stove cut-out of the
> > counter-top.  I¹m concerned that heat from the pot supports will 
> be  conducted
> > to the
> > counter-top thus creating another type of fire  hazard.
> >
> > I may try to install the stove just to see how it works, there are
> > modifications that could be made (i.e. file the pot support fingers back so
> > they  do
> > easily clear the cut-out space) that might allow for 
> safer  operation.  But we
> > may also just carry the stove as a separate item and use  it in the cockpit
> > when we need a stove.  And I may look around to find  another safer 
> stove that
> > will fit in the available space better (if anyone knows  of a suitable 
> stove,
> > I
> > will appreciate their telling me of it).
> >
> > Some people may be tempted to just try to operate their Kenyon B23000 
> stove  ³
> > as is² being sure to flip the stove top as appropriate.  This 
> would  respond
> > to the issue identified by the lady at Kenyon.  I¹m 
> concerned,  however, that
> > she may have not fully understood the extent of risk and it¹s  origins.  If
> > there were a simple, cheap fix to this problem, like  implementing a 
> different
> > grill structure so that the stove could only be used  one way, I think 
> Kenyon
> > would have gone for it in a heart beat.  I suspect  they¹ve had to 
> change more
> > than the stove top - they've issued a whole new  stove.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
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