[Rhodes22-list] Cooking on Board

Tue Jun 20 08:58:00 EDT 2006

Thanks, Slim,

I think we all realize that we are playing with fire with these things, 
and that most sailors, even those with much larger boats, are doing the 
same thing.

On a safety scale of 10, where we operate in the 8-9 range most of the 
time, open flames inches away from combustible materials, marginally 
secure fixtures, floating on water, inadequate fire extinguishers, tanks 
full of gas...cooking on board probably falls into the 1-2 range.

Don't try this at home.

And then there are those fish feeder Bar-B-Ques hanging off the stern 
rail with all the food falling into the water, and people leaning over 
fire to try to cook...

If you've got a burner inside the cabin, why not move the Magma inside 
the cockpit where you can control it better?

The Magma clamps are expensive, but excellent.  You can secure those 
things, and some of the BBQs will function well as burners as well as 
grillers.

They make a nice table like the one Chris made for himself complete with 
the clamps required.

Many more thoughts on cooking on board, but no time right now.

Bill Effros

Slim wrote:
> Bill,
>
> The stove is just a table-top type of thing.  It's not mounted on anything.
> We put down a small piece of non-skid underneath it to keep it from sliding
> around and we use it out on the cockpit table, on the galley counter or
> sometimes I'll sit on the settee and make coffee on the companionway step.
> We never use it under way or if it's excessively wavy at anchor.  We
> vigilantly watch for approaching wakes and have pot holders at the ready to
> steady the pot if we're going to rock and roll.  We've never had an accident
> with it.  
>
> IMO I would never use any stove under way on a Rhodes 22.  The big cruising
> boats have gambled stoves that can handle some heeling but a fixed stove on
> a small boat under way is asking for trouble.
>
> We also have a gas grill that we affix on the stern pulpit but it's not
> gimbaled either so the same applies.
>
> Slim
>
> On 6/19/06 8:44 PM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Thanks for the link, Slim,
>>
>> How do you mount it?
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>> Slim wrote:
>>     
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>> Our boat came with an older Kenyon and we wound up throwing it away because
>>> it was so dangerous.  The recall did not address the problem we had:  the
>>> fuel canister didn't fit right into its socket and would leak fuel and
>>> flames would come out from under the stove.  Pretty bad!  We're lucky we
>>> didn't burn the boat to the water line!
>>>
>>> We now use a Coleman Expedition two-burner that we wouldn't trade for
>>> anything.  We use it either in the cabin or out on the cockpit table.
>>> Available at Midwest Mountaineering or REI:
>>>
>>> http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=400000
>>> 08000&productId=9320681&parent_category_rn=4500453&vcat=REI_SSHP_CAMPING_TOC
>>>
>>> Slim
>>>
>>> On 6/19/06 4:52 PM, "DCLewis1 at aol.com" <DCLewis1 at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Folks,
>>>>
>>>> The stove that came with our R22 is a Kenyon B23000. In checking around for
>>>> operating instructions for that stove I discovered it was subject to a
>>>> safety
>>>> recall.  I posted that info on 5/19/06.  For information regarding the
>>>> recall see:   
>>>>
>>>> _www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml01/01198.html_
>>>> (http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml01/01198.html)
>>>> _http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_ppro/is_200107/ai_1124042216_
>>>> (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_ppro/is_200107/ai_1124042216)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rather than flirt with disaster, I contacted Kenyon to find out about  the
>>>> recall.  The lady I spoke with @ Kenyon (Beth) told me that indeed  there
>>>> was
>>>> a 
>>>> recall, the problem was that users would sometimes use the grill  that came
>>>> with the B2300 upside down (i.e. as stored), and heat radiated from  that
>>>> upside 
>>>> down grill assembly radiated into the gas regulator assembly, things  got
>>>> hot, gas leaked, and there had been fires, people had been hurt, etc.   The
>>>> new 
>>>> stove that they would send out in fulfillment of the recall had a grill
>>>> that
>>>> could only be used one way and would solve that problem.
>>>>
>>>> We returned our stove and promptly got back a new stove and carrying case
>>>> at
>>>> no charge (of course we had to pay the postage to mail our stove back).
>>>> The
>>>> point of this present post is to report general features of the new stove,
>>>> Kenyon Express II model B23200.
>>>>
>>>> The new stove came in a black plastic container that looks good, but in no
>>>> more than 3 weeks of intermittent light handling has torn in one spot.  I
>>>> think it¹s a bit flimsy, but serviceable, as a way to store and carry the
>>>> stove.
>>>>
>>>> The stove is labeled: "Not for household use.  Gas-fired portable cook
>>>> stove
>>>> for outdoor and indoor commercial use only."  I'm not sure which  category
>>>> we
>>>> fit into if the stove is installed in a galley.
>>>>
>>>> The gross form factor for the stove (length, width, height) is similar to
>>>> the old stove, it¹s as deep and thick as the B23000 but may be 1/2" shorter
>>>> (i.e. length parallel to the front edge of the counter-top).
>>>>
>>>> The stove is black and gets pretty hot just sitting in sunlight.  It¹s
>>>> awkward to touch and hold if it¹s been sitting in direct sunlight.  As I
>>>> recall, 
>>>> the B23000 was green and did not get as hot.  If you are going to  use the
>>>> stove under the countertop, this is not an issue.  If you are going  to use
>>>> it
>>>> out 
>>>> of doors, this may well be an issue.
>>>>
>>>> The pot supports are indeed attached directly to the stove top in a way
>>>> that
>>>> they cannot be removed and used upside down.  This means  when  installed in
>>>> the galley the stove top will always protrude above the counter-top  by
>>>> about
>>>> 3/4".  The top of the previous stove could be flipped so that you  could
>>>> have
>>>> a smooth counter-top and so that a cutting board could fit over the  hole in
>>>> the counter-top for the stove.  With the new stove you will have to  put a
>>>> 3/4" 
>>>> to 1" high border around  the cutting block, if you intend to  set it over
>>>> the stove top, and the stove top will always be protruding above the
>>>> countertop.
>>>>
>>>> The hips on the 4 pot supports that come up from the top of the stove are
>>>> spaced sufficiently far apart that the top will not pass freely through our
>>>> counter top (i.e. straight up),  but it's close; by passing one side
>>>> through,
>>>> and then the other, it is possible to get the stove top through the  counter
>>>> cut-out.  The possible problem is that the pot supports are close  to, or
>>>> bearing 
>>>> against, the aluminum border that edges the stove cut-out of the
>>>> counter-top.  I¹m concerned that heat from the pot supports will be
>>>> conducted
>>>> to the 
>>>> counter-top thus creating another type of fire  hazard.
>>>>
>>>> I may try to install the stove just to see how it works, there are
>>>> modifications that could be made (i.e. file the pot support fingers back so
>>>> they  do 
>>>> easily clear the cut-out space) that might allow for safer  operation.  But
>>>> we
>>>> may also just carry the stove as a separate item and use  it in the cockpit
>>>> when we need a stove.  And I may look around to find  another safer stove
>>>> that
>>>> will fit in the available space better (if anyone knows  of a suitable
>>>> stove,
>>>> I 
>>>> will appreciate their telling me of it).
>>>>
>>>> Some people may be tempted to just try to operate their Kenyon B23000 stove
>>>> ³
>>>> as is² being sure to flip the stove top as appropriate.  This would  respond
>>>> to the issue identified by the lady at Kenyon.  I¹m concerned,  however,
>>>> that
>>>> she may have not fully understood the extent of risk and it¹s  origins.  If
>>>> there were a simple, cheap fix to this problem, like  implementing a
>>>> different
>>>> grill structure so that the stove could only be used  one way, I think
>>>> Kenyon
>>>> would have gone for it in a heart beat.  I suspect  they¹ve had to change
>>>> more
>>>> than the stove top - they've issued a whole new  stove.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
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