[Rhodes22-list] Reduce your federal income tax (political humor)

[Brad Haslett]

Herb,

It is way past my bedtime so forgive me if I ramble, again.  We agree, we
have a problem here Houston (San Antonio, St. Louis, Greenwich, etc.) but
what to do?  I'm personally not threatned by illegal Mexicans flooding
across the border but it is problem the long run.  We passed laws against
the Chinese and damned if that didn't work.  Those slant eyes are under
control now.  Maybe not in my house but that doesn't count.  I think I know
where your coming from and we're in agreement.  Stop it now, control what we
have.  Here is a novel idea.  What do these illegals want?  Opportunity?
Why don't we blow that smoke up the asses of the folks who are already
here?  Tell the legals that there's work out there and f*%K the minimum
wage, white folks will pay $15 an hour for people who show up on time and
know what their doing.

Mexicans? Friggen brown skin capitalists!  Who the hell do these people
think they are showing up at 6am with a positive attitude toward their job.
Americans?

Brad




On 6/27/06, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry Bill, you're still totally wrong. I don't know where you get your
> information, but it's WAY off.
>
> My step-father is a Mexican national who came across the border illegally.
> He got in on the last amnesty program.
>
> You didn't answer my question, you just added to the nonsense (the
> question was where you had gotten the idea). In spite of that, I'll be more
> than happy to tell you what I'm for.
>
> Increased penalties and ENFORCEMENT of those that hire illegals.
> Denial of any government benefits to illegals (including schools and
> medical care, except for life-threatening emergencies).
>
> If we take away the incentives to be here, there's no need to "rounding
> them up".
>
> BTW, those that cross in Texas don't cross a desert.
>
> Herb Parsons
>
> S/V O'Jure
> 1976 O'Day 25
> Lake Grapevine, N TX
>
> S/V Reve de Papa
> 1971 Coronado 35
> Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
>
> >>> bill at effros.com 6/27/2006 8:51:17 pm >>>
> Herb,
>
> Clinton forced these people to make the desert crossings.  Prior to that
> they would have "stampedes" where literally hundreds of people would
> literally overrun border crossings.  A dozen might get caught, but the
> other 488 would be home free all.  There were cars, buses, minivans,
> waiting to take them further away right on our side of the border.  We
> built fences in the easy places, forcing them to now cross in the harder
> places.  Crossing was a piece of cake.  If you didn't make it in the
> morning, you could count on getting through in the afternoon.  They
> would commute back and forth across the border.
>
> It's harder now.  We didn't used to have 100s of people dying in the
> desert every year because they didn't have to cross over the desert.
>
> There are more foreign born workers currently in the United States than
> there are Iraqis in Iraq.  Rounding them all up and throwing them out of
> here is not practical--even Bush understands that.
>
> I'm not "for" "amnesty".  I'm not really "for" anything.  I know what
> you're against.  What are you "for"?
>
> Bill Effros
>
>
>
>
> Herb Parsons wrote:
> > Sorry Bill, but you don't know what you're talking about on this one.
> Border crossings have been unbelievably easy for years. We taught them all
> well in our last "amnesty" program. Bring your families, you stand a better
> chance of being allowed to stay.
> >
> > Where have you gotten the idea that border crossings have been more
> difficult (except for the past few weeks, of course)?
> >
> > Herb Parsons
> >
> > S/V O'Jure
> > 1976 O'Day 25
> > Lake Grapevine, N TX
> >
> > S/V Reve de Papa
> > 1971 Coronado 35
> > Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
> >
> >
> >>>> bill at effros.com 6/27/2006 3:16:16 pm >>>
> >>>>
> > Dave,
> >
> > Unintended consequences of making border crossings more difficult.  They
> > used to leave their families behind and return home during the off
> > season.  Now that we have made border crossing more difficult, they are
> > bringing their families along with them, and staying North of the
> border.
> >
> > Bill Effros
> >
> > DCLewis1 at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> Luis, PT, & Brad,
> >>
> >> This is interesting.  Seems to me that if the IRS has issued an
> ITIN  for
> >> legal and illegal aliens, and the govt also has a summary of
> green  cards/work
> >> permits/whatever they should be able to identify illegals
> pretty  easily.  I
> >> wonder what the problem is?  Or maybe, as PT suggests, the  govt really
> doesn't
> >> care - just send $.
> >>
> >> Re Brad's dreams: I think I understand what he's trying to convey.
> These
> >> guys are reported to be very hard working and conscientious.  I've  met
> some
> >> and they seem like good people.  But there's another side to
> the  problem that
> >> he may not have observed.  Some years ago my wife and I  were foster
> parents
> >> for several years, as a foster parent you take kids into  your house
> until the
> >> adult parents can get their lives squared away.  Over  a period of time
> you see
> >> a number of "families" and kids.  We've  encountered what I'm sure are
> >> illegal aliens - ladies (kids are invariably tied  to the women) who
> came north
> >> because there are better social services and  physical infrastructure (
> e.g.
> >> indoor plumbing) and a government that will not  ask questions.  The
> ladies
> >> relating to foster care may have a variety of  children - I'm told that
> large
> >> families are a cultural thing.  Some may  work at regular jobs, but the
> ones we know
> >> don't, they subsist on the shadow  economy or mooch off one of the hard
> >> working guys Brad dreams about, or  both.  To an overwhelming extent,
> they subsist
> >> on the illegal cash economy  PT refers to.  These ladies, and
> especially their
> >> numerous children,   are a substantial burden (i.e. cost) to the social
> >> infrastructure.  For  example, as I recall, in Washington it costs
> about
> >> $12k/yr/student to support  the public schools - we know one lady with
> 5 kids and has
> >> not held a regular job  as long as we've known her; there's no way at
> all that
> >> lady makes any meaningful  contribution to the support the education of
> her
> >> kids - or anything  else.  I really doubt the ones I know of have ever
> paid any
> >> taxes, all  their work is in the shadow economy (i.e. selling bottled
> water on
> >> street  corners - turns out you can make a lot of money doing that in
> >> Washington).   The social services burden (schools, medical care, low
> income housing,
> >> police,  etc) didn't appear in Brad's dreams, but I think that's what's
> >> driving the  reaction to illegal immigration along the border and in
> Calif.
> >>
> >> One other insight: the prime driver to admitting illegals appears to
> me  that
> >> they are willing to work very hard and conscientiously at jobs many
> >> Americans disdain.  Basically, they are good people and they want to
> be  here.  But it'
> >> s important to understand that admitting these people,  especially the
> women,
> >>  has long term consequences ; they will have families  (large families)
> and
> >> the children may, or may not, be nearly as motivated as
> the  parent.  What I've
> >> seen is the children of dysfunctional  families, really matriarchies,
> >> fitting right into the underclass  culture that disdains any hard work
> and/or
> >> educational achievement.  This  is going to drive a geometric demand
> for even more
> >> social services   From my perspective, this is not a happy prospect.
> >>
> >> Dave
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