[Rhodes22-list] Reduce your federal income tax (political humor)

[Luis Guzman]

The emigration problem is created by our economy. We all want to reduce costs and increase profits. The big companies are outsourcing jobs to other countries to reduce their cost and increase their profits. I see this as a form of emigration. 
   
  We want to be able to get the most for our money, so we hire whoever charges the least and can still do a good job. It does not matter if this person has a license a or he/she is a legal immigrant.
   
  Other times, we hire who is available to do a job who no many people want to take.
   
  The other problem is people paying for cash transactions to avoid uncle Sam. Not a bad deal. You pay a reduce price without taxes and the other person gets to keep all of the money. We all have been in one end or the other of this transaction. You are going to see most of this type of transactions being done with illegal immigrants.
   
  In addition, some companies like to hire illegal immigrants because they can take advantage of them. You can underpay and abuse illegal immigrants and if they try to complain you just have to tell them that you are going to seek the "migra" on them.
   
  If we want to reduce emigration, maybe we should all just be willing to pay a little bit more for our goods and services. Maybe we should all be happy with the amount of profit that we have instead of trying to increase monetary wealth.
   
  Luis
   
  Disclaimer:  All of the above random thoughts were the product of a imagination enhanced by alcohol (Specifically rum) and a cool breeze hitting my face while on a starboard tack.
   
   
  

Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
  Sorry Bill, you're still totally wrong. I don't know where you get your information, but it's WAY off.

My step-father is a Mexican national who came across the border illegally. He got in on the last amnesty program.

You didn't answer my question, you just added to the nonsense (the question was where you had gotten the idea). In spite of that, I'll be more than happy to tell you what I'm for.

Increased penalties and ENFORCEMENT of those that hire illegals.
Denial of any government benefits to illegals (including schools and medical care, except for life-threatening emergencies).

If we take away the incentives to be here, there's no need to "rounding them up".

BTW, those that cross in Texas don't cross a desert.

Herb Parsons

S/V O'Jure
1976 O'Day 25
Lake Grapevine, N TX

S/V Reve de Papa
1971 Coronado 35
Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast

>>> bill at effros.com 6/27/2006 8:51:17 pm >>>
Herb,

Clinton forced these people to make the desert crossings. Prior to that 
they would have "stampedes" where literally hundreds of people would 
literally overrun border crossings. A dozen might get caught, but the 
other 488 would be home free all. There were cars, buses, minivans, 
waiting to take them further away right on our side of the border. We 
built fences in the easy places, forcing them to now cross in the harder 
places. Crossing was a piece of cake. If you didn't make it in the 
morning, you could count on getting through in the afternoon. They 
would commute back and forth across the border.

It's harder now. We didn't used to have 100s of people dying in the 
desert every year because they didn't have to cross over the desert.

There are more foreign born workers currently in the United States than 
there are Iraqis in Iraq. Rounding them all up and throwing them out of 
here is not practical--even Bush understands that.

I'm not "for" "amnesty". I'm not really "for" anything. I know what 
you're against. What are you "for"?

Bill Effros




Herb Parsons wrote:
> Sorry Bill, but you don't know what you're talking about on this one. Border crossings have been unbelievably easy for years. We taught them all well in our last "amnesty" program. Bring your families, you stand a better chance of being allowed to stay.
>
> Where have you gotten the idea that border crossings have been more difficult (except for the past few weeks, of course)?
>
> Herb Parsons
>
> S/V O'Jure
> 1976 O'Day 25
> Lake Grapevine, N TX
>
> S/V Reve de Papa
> 1971 Coronado 35
> Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
>
> 
>>>> bill at effros.com 6/27/2006 3:16:16 pm >>>
>>>> 
> Dave,
>
> Unintended consequences of making border crossings more difficult. They 
> used to leave their families behind and return home during the off 
> season. Now that we have made border crossing more difficult, they are 
> bringing their families along with them, and staying North of the border.
>
> Bill Effros
>
> DCLewis1 at aol.com wrote:
> 
>> Luis, PT, & Brad,
>> 
>> This is interesting. Seems to me that if the IRS has issued an ITIN for 
>> legal and illegal aliens, and the govt also has a summary of green cards/work 
>> permits/whatever they should be able to identify illegals pretty easily. I 
>> wonder what the problem is? Or maybe, as PT suggests, the govt really doesn't 
>> care - just send $.
>> 
>> Re Brad's dreams: I think I understand what he's trying to convey. These 
>> guys are reported to be very hard working and conscientious. I've met some 
>> and they seem like good people. But there's another side to the problem that 
>> he may not have observed. Some years ago my wife and I were foster parents 
>> for several years, as a foster parent you take kids into your house until the 
>> adult parents can get their lives squared away. Over a period of time you see 
>> a number of "families" and kids. We've encountered what I'm sure are 
>> illegal aliens - ladies (kids are invariably tied to the women) who came north 
>> because there are better social services and physical infrastructure (e.g. 
>> indoor plumbing) and a government that will not ask questions. The ladies 
>> relating to foster care may have a variety of children - I'm told that large 
>> families are a cultural thing. Some may work at regular jobs, but the ones we know 
>> don't, they subsist on the shadow economy or mooch off one of the hard 
>> working guys Brad dreams about, or both. To an overwhelming extent, they subsist 
>> on the illegal cash economy PT refers to. These ladies, and especially their 
>> numerous children, are a substantial burden (i.e. cost) to the social 
>> infrastructure. For example, as I recall, in Washington it costs about 
>> $12k/yr/student to support the public schools - we know one lady with 5 kids and has 
>> not held a regular job as long as we've known her; there's no way at all that 
>> lady makes any meaningful contribution to the support the education of her 
>> kids - or anything else. I really doubt the ones I know of have ever paid any 
>> taxes, all their work is in the shadow economy (i.e. selling bottled water on 
>> street corners - turns out you can make a lot of money doing that in 
>> Washington). The social services burden (schools, medical care, low income housing, 
>> police, etc) didn't appear in Brad's dreams, but I think that's what's 
>> driving the reaction to illegal immigration along the border and in Calif.
>> 
>> One other insight: the prime driver to admitting illegals appears to me that 
>> they are willing to work very hard and conscientiously at jobs many 
>> Americans disdain. Basically, they are good people and they want to be here. But it'
>> s important to understand that admitting these people, especially the women, 
>> has long term consequences ; they will have families (large families) and 
>> the children may, or may not, be nearly as motivated as the parent. What I've 
>> seen is the children of dysfunctional families, really matriarchies, 
>> fitting right into the underclass culture that disdains any hard work and/or 
>> educational achievement. This is going to drive a geometric demand for even more 
>> social services From my perspective, this is not a happy prospect. 
>> 
>> Dave
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