[Rhodes22-list] Reduce your federal income tax (political humor)

[Bill Effros]

Dave,

Birth Certificates are city by city.  Some states are trying to fix 
things in order to comply with Medicare laws.  But states have a 
financial interest in excluding as many people as possible.  Call them 
"welfare cheats" and send them on their way.   How do you prove that 
you're more than 65 years old if you don't have a birth certificate?  
How can we provide services to people when they all say they have no 
birth certificates?  These problems are complicated, and the only thing 
you can be sure of is that the simple answers are wrong.

In WWII those weren't cruise ships.  They were ships hired by wealthy 
refugees to escape the Nazis.  No one let them land.

The "cruise ship" or easier "airport" immigration is why the walls won't 
work.  Around here, the illegals earn enough in a day, after taxes, to 
fly into this country.  They can get visas.  They can say they are just 
traveling.  They can visit their Uncle for the Summer...and work as part 
of his lawn care crew...

Now, the Uncle can pay the kid "off the books" just as many Americans 
pay their nephews "off the books" -- No taxes, the kid gets more, the 
Uncle pays less.  But you can't base your business on this because, 
sooner or later, you're going to get caught, and you don't want to lose 
your business just to help illegal workers. 

Cities, States, and the fed wink at the illegals, but they throw you in 
jail and then deport you if you cheat them out of their money.

I think the day labor hiring is mainly a "Nanny" problem in terms of the 
numbers--a lot of people go to those parks to hire gardeners, day 
laborers, etc. and pay them "off the books".  The number of people 
hanging out in those parks is just a fraction of a fraction of the 
number of illegals employed.  Most of the illegals are hired by major 
corporations who couldn't provide the goods and services at the prices 
required to compete without the labor provided by illegals.  They pay 
full taxes on all of them, but our laws are constructed to make it 
difficult for the illegals to get back much of the money they are forced 
to kick in.  They consider it a cost of doing business.

In the old days we forced the men to leave their families behind, but 
the situation has become so confused that many now bring their full 
families with them, completely skewing the "cost/benefit" ratio out of 
our favor.

You can't run a real business on day laborers.  It takes you longer to 
train them than a day.  If you try to sneak some of them in without 
paying taxes, all of your other employees want to be paid "off the 
books" too.  You can't run labor intensive businesses without showing a 
payroll.  You can't show a payroll without paying the taxes connected to 
that payroll.

Everybody cheats on their taxes, but nobody with half a brain cheats in 
a way they might get caught in order to benefit an illegal hired for a 
day from outside a Home Depot.

The contractors caught in various parts of the country are an ice cube 
on an iceberg.  The problem is so vast most of us can't wrap our minds 
around it.  Do you really think that Hispanic girl who is mopping the 
floor at McDonald's is here legally? 

40 years ago Xerox wanted to move its corporate headquarters to 
Greenwich, but Greenwich wouldn't let them.   Greenwich knew every high 
paid executive would bring with him 10 low paid support staff.  The 
taxes paid by the low paid workers would not be sufficient to offset the 
cost of services required by allowing them into Town.  I think this is 
what's really happening with the illegals.  It's not that they don't pay 
taxes, it's that if they bring their families, their families are 
entitled to services we can't stop them from using.

Some people say if we simply reduce the services rather than restrict 
the illegals we will solve the problem.

Maybe they're right.

Bill Effros





DCLewis1 at aol.com wrote:
> Bill,
>  
> You may be right about getting a SSN, I haven’t found any simple universal  
> solution for the US,  I gather it’s a state-by-state thing.  For  example 
> according to 
>  
> _http://oregon.gov/DHS/ph/chs/change/chngrec.shtml_ 
> (http://oregon.gov/DHS/ph/chs/change/chngrec.shtml)    in Oregon you can contact:
>  
> To file a delayed birth record for a child (age 1-6).
> Debora Gott -  (971) 673-1155 
> To file a delayed birth record for a child (age 7 and  up).
> Becki Buskirk - (971) 673-1147
> but it appears to me that each state  is going to be different.  However,  I 
> have to believe there is  something for adults, or youth, in every state for 
> just  the situations you  identified.  
>  
> FWIW, my search showed Canada has a straightforward process in  place to 
> provide adults with a new birth certificate.
>  
> Regarding cruise ships from Europe not being able to land, you may be  right, 
> but I’m really surprised.  It was a different world back then.   I can 
> understand there would be a problem if a ship appeared with 500 destitute  refugees 
> - but call them tourists and I think they and their $ would be welcome.  What I
> ’m suggesting though is that a few individuals who want to flee really do  
> ride a cruise with a 1,000 other tourists - and the few just get off while the  
> 1,000 or so remaining tourists continue on.   I think that would be  very hard 
> to track.  Given a little friendly support at the port of  interest, I think 
> it would be impossible to track.  But it was a different  world back then, 
> maybe they didn’t have cruise ships.
>  
> (Note: If the idea above sounds a little off the wall, I learned of it from  
> the Indian who sold my son a car at a new car dealership.  It's what he  told 
> us he did.  As I recall, he said he then lived and worked in  the US on an 
> illegal basis for about 10 years, there was an amnesty  that included him, and 
> now he can work any where he wants.)
>  
> Finally, I think I understand what you’re saying about all the taxes paid  
> etc, but my problem is not with your business model,  it’s with the  employers 
> who DON’T do what you did.  Instead, they hire illegals on a  daily basis, pay 
> them what they have to pay them, cash them out at the end of  the day, and that
> ’s it - no taxes and no benefits.  Depending on the nature  of your business, 
> you might get caught and fined, or you might not.  
>  
> I gather from your post that you had a factory - nearly everybody is  
> assembled in one location along with their paperwork, you could reasonably by  
> inspected.  But how about a roofing business with 10 sites that change  on any given 
> day, or a plumbing business with 20 trucks dispatched at any time  and at any 
> location for just a few hours, or..... , these guys are very  mobile, it 
> would be hard to track them down and see exactly who is working - and  oh, all the 
> paperwork is back at the office.  I think there’s a lot of  that, I could be 
> wrong.  What I see is somebody hiring these guys on a  chronically short term 
> basis, I think daily, after a short discussion in a  parking lot - I really 
> wonder whether the people hiring are going through  the paperwork/tax drill you 
> did.  Maybe they are, but there is some good  reason that regions impacted by 
> large number of illegal workers are complaining  their social services are 
> stretched - the affected governments think it's the  illegal workers and that 
> suggests to me that maybe they aren't.
>  
> Dave
>  
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