[Rhodes22-list] Lake Access and conscience

Tue May 9 10:37:48 EDT 2006

i live close to lake grapevine and  it has always saddened me to watch the "natural" world getting exploited. it will help if you think in terms of management. manageing the resource is all you can do. conserving it is not going to happen. carefull use is all anyone can reasonably expect. i go through this hand wringing process with trout streams. most of them are in serious trouble except the "club waters" and those with serious state regulation. if you use the resource, watch over it and get involved with its management. pick your battles and stay tuned. oh, and go sailing!!!!

TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
  Herb,

No one owns the shoreline on the TN River. Home owners can apply for dock 
permits and they are usually granted for large fee. As Rummy mentions there 
is no looking back. Hopefully locals can figure out how best to manage the 
waterfront.

TVA forced out thousands to make room for the many lakes.Through the years 
they have sold property back to private developers at huge profits. There 
are some huge parcels of land that may be changing hands. I think for the 
most part TVA has provided a good mix of private and public use.

Good luck,

Wally

>From: "Herb Parsons" 
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
>To: 
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lake Access (was "Getting ready to trailer boat")
>Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 13:37:37 -0500
>
>That brings up an opportunity for some "political discussion" (not much
>of that around here lately) that's tied to sailing
>
>Lake Grapevine, located in North Texas, is a man-made lake (almost all
>of the lakes in Texas are man-made). About 12 miles long and 1 mile wide
>(these are estimates, I didn't look it up), it's popular among
>sailboaters for number of reasons.
>
>It's very close to both Dallas and Ft Worth.
>Much of the bottom area is a combination of natural cliffs and "quarry
>made" cliffs, which means that sail boats can safely sail very close to
>the banks of the lake.
>
>The orientation of the lake corresponds to prevailing winds, enabling
>us to (typically) have nice windward runs going close-hauled almost
>straight up the lake, of course giving us downwind runs on a broad
>reach. While it makes for typically easy sailing, there are enough
>surrounding hills and buildings, along with finicky Texas weather, to
>give some unpredictable wind changes, so it stays interesting (for the
>most part).
>
>Here's the "problem". As John mentioned, Gaylord entertainment built a
>HUGE hotel right on the bank of the lake, between my marina and the next
>marina north. The hotel is beautiful, if you like large hotels (it also
>gives a significant wind shadow when sailing to the mark at that end of
>the lake, but that's not pertinent to the "problem").
>
>Because of the popularity of the hotel, the small city of Grapevine
>faces some "expansion issues". One that continually crops up is use of
>the lake and lake front. (There are, I believe, three other cities that
>border the lake, but it appears to mostly be a hot issue in Grapevine).
>There are those that don't want to see further expansion, citing the
>"natural beauty" of the area and crowding of both the shoreline and the
>water.
>
>How do others feel about similar issues in their area? We're not
>talking about a big hotel that's coming in trying to force out the
>marinas (the type of problem they have in Florida). We're just talking
>about other "entities" (some directly water related, some not) wanting
>to share the lake.
>
>Here are a few examples:
>
>An outside paintball arena. This has already been built and opened,
>about ½ mile from the shoreline, in spite of some very vocal opposition
>by some residents.
>
>A new nightclub (owned by the hotel, going up just west of it, on a
>bluff overlooking the lake).
>
>Expansion of an existing city park that allows extended stays of RV's,
>and has cabins for overnight guests. This too has already been opened,
>directly across from my marina.
>
>A proposed business located in the above mentioned park, offering
>rental small craft including "water trikes" (the big three-wheeled water
>tricycles).
>
>Another large hotel across from the existing one (about ½ mile from the
>lake). Approved, but construction hasn't started yet.
>
>A condominium with docks on the lake. This has been proposed, but to
>the best of my knowledge, not yet approved.
>
>Another "wrinkle" in all of this is the fact that all of the above is
>in the northeast portion of the lake. Most of the rest of the lake
>currently seems to be mostly ignored.
>
>Thoughts?
>
>
>
>Herb Parsons
>
>S/V O'Jure
>1976 O'Day 25
>Lake Grapevine, N TX
>
>S/V Reve de Papa
>1971 Coronado 35
>Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
>
> >>> jhnblngr at yahoo.com 5/8/2006 1:00:15 pm >>>
>small indeed! i'm always amazed at how many people even know where
>grapevine is let alone having been here. now that we have the gaylord
>texan resort here its really taken off. thanks and welcome john b
>
>Ellner wrote: Hi Y'all!! It definitely is a
>small world. We live in Wisconsin & own a
>Rhodes......were in Austin, TX this past week to visit my
>daughter.....and
>I spent Friday in Grapevine, TX at a nursing home visiting my great
>aunt! Mary/SV Toy Blew
>
>
>
>
>
>At 09:00 AM 5/8/2006 -0400, you wrote:
> >Kari,
> >I have some of the same questions as John. If you've already sold it
>back
> >to Stan, questions may be mute. But if it's not a done deal, there
>are
> >people looking for boats on this list. Sorry to hear you are selling
>your
> >Rhodes. Hope that means something better is coming your way.
> >
> >Rob Lowe
> >S/V Getaway
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "john Belanger"
> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 3:40 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting ready to trailer boat
> >
> >
> > > kari
> > > could you send some pics of your boat? why do you have to sell it
>and is
> >it a good deal for you to sell it back to stan? what year is it and
>where
> >did you sail it. i'm in grapevine and am curious about how you used it
>ie
> >daysailing or cruising, dry sailed or in the water at a marina. i'm
> >gathering info cash, and courage for buying one but am not quite there
>yet.
> >thanks john b
> > >
> > > Kari Day wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Sadly my husband & I are selling our Rhodes. We are
> > > selling it back to Stan. Since we are in Dallas we are
> > > trailering it back to Edenton. The only experience we
> > > have with the trailer is when we bought it and brought
> > > it home.
> > >
> > > Some dumb questions - To load the boat the manual says
> > > to follow the directions in reverse. Is it really
> > > exactly in reverse or is there some things that should
> > > be done before anything else? Second - I see a lot
> > > about raising the mast, but not so much about lowering
> > > it. What are the steps? Is it better to lower the mast
> > > at the dock with the boat in the water or after the
> > > boat is loaded on the trailer. There are no electrical
> > > lines near the boat ramp.
> > > BTW-we have Stan's mast raising equipment.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance. I know from reading this is a
> > > generous group.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Kari & Joe Day
> > >
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