[Rhodes22-list] WTF? (response to Hank and Tootle)

Sat May 20 08:21:44 EDT 2006

Brad,

I am not sure I follow what you are saying. Perhaps someone else posted on 
military families.

Many of us do try to remove emotion and look at the facts.  It reallky isn't 
THAT hard. One first has to have an open mind. Again your link did not 
reveal anything that would change my mind. It seemed to support what i said. 
We rushed into this on bad information. I have said this from day one. Am I 
missing something?

Your ask for forgiveness rather than permission concept is a pretty low 
standard. I think we should aim a little higher.

Wally

>From: brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] WTF? (response to Hank and Tootle)
>Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:54:11 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Wally,
>
>My attitude is "better to ask forgiveness than
>permission" when it comes to national security. No one
>is going to give up their political position based
>only the facts; mostly it is emotion.  I just spent
>the evening celebrating my oldest son's 24th birthday
>on the  MS Gulf coast.  I'm not going to second guess
>anyone's influence on their child not to go to THE
>GULF.  My graditude goes to those kids who did, and
>especially to those parents whose kids didn't come
>back.
>
>Brad
>
>
>--- TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Brad,
> >
> > I skimmed through reading things here and there but
> > didn't come across
> > anything that changes my mind. In fact I read
> > several things that confirmed
> > my way of thinking. Most interesting is the coverage
> > of WMD. Looked to me
> > like they cited many sources showing that there
> > weren't any WMD left and we
> > bought into the boasts of Saddam.
> >
> > Wally
> >
> >
> > >From: brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com>
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] WTF? (response to Hank
> > and Tootle)
> > >Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 05:43:50 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Wally,
> > >
> > >Here is some "light" reading for you (230 pages).
> > >I've read some excerpts and analysis but haven't
> > >digested the whole document.  Hope to get that done
> > >this week if I can get away from the 'Tower of
> > Babel'.
> > >
> > >Brad
> > >
> > >http://www.foreignaffairs.org/special/iraq/ipp.pdf
> > >
> > >--- TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I also saw (on TV) Colin Powell give a
> > powerpoint
> > > > presentaion to the UN
> > > > showing location of WMD. If it makes you feel
> > any
> > > > better I blame congress
> > > > almost as much as Bush. Fiew had the strength to
> > > > vote against the
> > > > resolution. Face it. we acted on mis-information
> > and
> > > > made some bad
> > > > decisions. I don't understand why this is so
> > hard
> > > > for people to see.
> > > >
> > > > I really like my local Congressman Jim Duncan.
> > He is
> > > > one of the few who
> > > > voted against the resolution and he is a
> > republican.
> > > > There was no reason to
> > > > attack Iraq when we did. The borders were locked
> > > > down about as well as you
> > > > can lock down a border. Heck we can't even
> > control
> > > > our border. We also
> > > > controlled the airways. We had not yet finished
> > in
> > > > Afghanastan. We should
> > > > have confirmed all of our information first.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe I should remove logic from my thought
> > process
> > > > and just follow party
> > > > line.
> > > >
> > > > Wally
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> > > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] WTF? (response to
> > Hank
> > > > and Tootle)
> > > > >Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 22:25:53 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >The reasons "Bush and his cronies" (I assume,
> > that
> > > > by 'Bush and his
> > > > >cronies', you are referring to the US Congress,
> > > > since they are the body
> > > > >that authorized and voted for the resolution)
> > are
> > > > clearly laid out in the
> > > > >resolution authorizing the action. You HAVE
> > read
> > > > it, haven't you?
> > > > >
> > > > >Herb Parsons
> > > > >
> > > > >S/V O'Jure
> > > > >1976 O'Day 25
> > > > >Lake Grapevine, N TX
> > > > >
> > > > >S/V Reve de Papa
> > > > >1971 Coronado 35
> > > > >Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
> > > > >
> > > > > >>> saroj at pathfind.net 5/14/2006 12:29:40 pm
> > >>>
> > > > >To Hank:
> > > > >
> > > > >Exactly what do you believe WAS the reason Bush
> > and
> > > > his cronies decided to
> > > > >go to war in Iraq?
> > > > >
> > > > >The stated reason was that Iraq harbored Al
> > Qaeda
> > > > terrorists and Sadaam was
> > > > >a recalcitrant tyrant and had WMD which he
> > planned
> > > > to use against us.  That
> > > > >he was a tyrant there is no doubt.  Is it the
> > job
> > > > of the U.S.A. to
> > > > >eliminate
> > > > >all tyrants from this world? There are plenty
> > to
> > > > choose from...
> > > > >
> > > > >Aside from the fact that there are anti-Western
> > > > radical Muslims throughout
> > > > >the world and that there were no doubt a few in
> > > > Iraq, there has never been
> > > > >evidence that Iraq had significant supportive
> > ties
> > > > to al Qaeda.  The
> > > > >preponderance of the terrorists who attacked us
> > on
> > > > 9/11 were from Saudi
> > > > >Arabia and yet this administration yielded to
> > > > Prince Bandar on 9/13/2001
> > > > >and
> > > > >facilitated the prompt removal of 100 or so,
> > many
> > > > of them relatives of bin
> > > > >Laden who, had they stayed and been extensively
> > > > interviewed, could possibly
> > > > >have helped in capturing him.  Not only were
> > they
> > > > allowed to fly within the
> > > > >U.S. during the total shut-down of air traffic
> > > > following 9/11, they had
> > > > >government-provided escorts.
> > > > >
> > > > >Afghanistan and Pakistan were far more likely
> > > > countries than Iraq.  We got
> > > > >half-way in Afghanistan before diverting our
> > > > attention to Iraq.  On the
> > > > >question of the WMD's, the CIA had already
> > disputed
> > > > that and provided this
> > > > >information to this administration prior to
> > either
> > > > the presentations to the
> > > > >U.N. or the declaration of war against Iraq.
> > In
> > > > addition, there is very
> > > > >good evidence that we actually began attacking
> > Iraq
> > > > militarily prior to
> > > > >approval by congress.
> > > > >
> > > > >As far as this war having a lower casualty rate
> > > > than previous wars, I am
> > > > >not
> > > > >in the least interested in the rate.  It was an
> > > > ill-conceived war and one
> > > > >is
> > > > >too many.
> > > > >
> > > > >On the issue of prescience, there were volumes
> > of
> > > > intelligence that Muslim
> > > > >terrorists were planning to use aircraft as
> > weapons
> > > > against the U.S. both
> > > > >from foreign sources and within the FBI, FAA,
> > and
> > > > elsewhere.  NORAD was
> > > > >planning preparation exercises to develop the
> > > > capability to respond to this
> > > > >event that were denied authorization by the
> > Joint
> > > > Chiefs of Staff.
> > > > >Prescience means "knowledge of actions and
> > events
> > > > before they occur"...
> > > > >there was plenty of it before 9/11.  I realize
> > you
> > > > were referring to Bush's
> >
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>
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