[Rhodes22-list] WTF? (response to Hank and Tootle)

brad haslett flybrad at yahoo.com
Sat May 20 05:53:12 EDT 2006 

Wally,

OK, here's a quick shot to clarify things before the
boys put my arse on a machine.  If you read through
the report, Saddam's generals thought they had WMD. 
They had WMDs at one time, they used WMDs. They wanted
more. We still don't know where they went.  Saddam
sponsored terrorism all over the Middle East.  Clinton
thought he should be taken out.  So did Gore, so did
Kerry.  It is easy to second guess the decision to go
to war after the fact, but post 9/11, given the
intelligence we had, it was a tough call (unless
you're a pacifist or an isolationist).  We went, we're
there.  These calls for an early withdrawal are
nonsense.  Do you know why the loss of our kids to
IEDs has gone up?  The insurgents are getting C4 from
Iran that is seven times more powerful. The argument
that we wouldn't have these problems had we not gone
there doesn't fly with me.  Why fight the war in
Europe when it was Japan that attacked us?   This is a
war like no other, the front is hard to define and
constantly shifting. IF Iraq can become a stable
nation, it will shift the whole Middle East.  We've
had enough "meet and greets" in the Rose Garden.  The
world is too small and the Middle East too important
to ignore. Whether Iraq was the best move won't be
determined for a long time.  NEWS FLASH!  Bush will be
gone soon.  Hillary, or whoever, will face the same
problems.  The folks who want to take us back to the
seventh century don't give a shit who's next.  The
problem remains the same. As to the folks who are in
Iraq now, they deserve our support.  The re-inlistment
rate and requests for redeployment to Iraq is
incredible.  They believe in what they are doing.  You
have to read the soldiers blogs to get that story
though, it won't sell soap for the MSM.

Brad

--- TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Brad,
> 
> I am not sure I follow what you are saying. Perhaps
> someone else posted on 
> military families.
> 
> Many of us do try to remove emotion and look at the
> facts.  It reallky isn't 
> THAT hard. One first has to have an open mind. Again
> your link did not 
> reveal anything that would change my mind. It seemed
> to support what i said. 
> We rushed into this on bad information. I have said
> this from day one. Am I 
> missing something?
> 
> Your ask for forgiveness rather than permission
> concept is a pretty low 
> standard. I think we should aim a little higher.
> 
> Wally
> 
> 
> >From: brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] WTF? (response to Hank
> and Tootle)
> >Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:54:11 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Wally,
> >
> >My attitude is "better to ask forgiveness than
> >permission" when it comes to national security. No
> one
> >is going to give up their political position based
> >only the facts; mostly it is emotion.  I just spent
> >the evening celebrating my oldest son's 24th
> birthday
> >on the  MS Gulf coast.  I'm not going to second
> guess
> >anyone's influence on their child not to go to THE
> >GULF.  My graditude goes to those kids who did, and
> >especially to those parents whose kids didn't come
> >back.
> >
> >Brad
> >
> >
> >--- TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Brad,
> > >
> > > I skimmed through reading things here and there
> but
> > > didn't come across
> > > anything that changes my mind. In fact I read
> > > several things that confirmed
> > > my way of thinking. Most interesting is the
> coverage
> > > of WMD. Looked to me
> > > like they cited many sources showing that there
> > > weren't any WMD left and we
> > > bought into the boasts of Saddam.
> > >
> > > Wally
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com>
> > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] WTF? (response to
> Hank
> > > and Tootle)
> > > >Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 05:43:50 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >
> > > >Wally,
> > > >
> > > >Here is some "light" reading for you (230
> pages).
> > > >I've read some excerpts and analysis but
> haven't
> > > >digested the whole document.  Hope to get that
> done
> > > >this week if I can get away from the 'Tower of
> > > Babel'.
> > > >
> > > >Brad
> > > >
> > >
> >http://www.foreignaffairs.org/special/iraq/ipp.pdf
> > > >
> > > >--- TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I also saw (on TV) Colin Powell give a
> > > powerpoint
> > > > > presentaion to the UN
> > > > > showing location of WMD. If it makes you
> feel
> > > any
> > > > > better I blame congress
> > > > > almost as much as Bush. Fiew had the
> strength to
> > > > > vote against the
> > > > > resolution. Face it. we acted on
> mis-information
> > > and
> > > > > made some bad
> > > > > decisions. I don't understand why this is so
> > > hard
> > > > > for people to see.
> > > > >
> > > > > I really like my local Congressman Jim
> Duncan.
> > > He is
> > > > > one of the few who
> > > > > voted against the resolution and he is a
> > > republican.
> > > > > There was no reason to
> > > > > attack Iraq when we did. The borders were
> locked
> > > > > down about as well as you
> > > > > can lock down a border. Heck we can't even
> > > control
> > > > > our border. We also
> > > > > controlled the airways. We had not yet
> finished
> > > in
> > > > > Afghanastan. We should
> > > > > have confirmed all of our information first.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe I should remove logic from my thought
> > > process
> > > > > and just follow party
> > > > > line.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wally
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Herb Parsons"
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> > > > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] WTF? (response
> to
> > > Hank
> > > > > and Tootle)
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 22:25:53 -0500
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The reasons "Bush and his cronies" (I
> assume,
> > > that
> > > > > by 'Bush and his
> > > > > >cronies', you are referring to the US
> Congress,
> > > > > since they are the body
> > > > > >that authorized and voted for the
> resolution)
> > > are
> > > > > clearly laid out in the
> > > > > >resolution authorizing the action. You HAVE
> > > read
> > > > > it, haven't you?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Herb Parsons
> > > > > >
> > > > > >S/V O'Jure
> > > > > >1976 O'Day 25
> > > > > >Lake Grapevine, N TX
> > > > > >
> > > > > >S/V Reve de Papa
> > > > > >1971 Coronado 35
> > > > > >Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>> saroj at pathfind.net 5/14/2006 12:29:40
> pm
> > > >>>
> > > > > >To Hank:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Exactly what do you believe WAS the reason
> Bush
> > > and
> > > > > his cronies decided to
> > > > > >go to war in Iraq?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The stated reason was that Iraq harbored Al
> > > Qaeda
> > > > > terrorists and Sadaam was
> > > > > >a recalcitrant tyrant and had WMD which he
> > > planned
> > > > > to use against us.  That
> > > > > >he was a tyrant there is no doubt.  Is it
> the
> > > job
> > > > > of the U.S.A. to
> > > > > >eliminate
> > > > > >all tyrants from this world? There are
> plenty
> 
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