[Rhodes22-list] Know the Enemy

[3drecon at comcast.net]

I didn't mean  "I costs the country vast amounts of its treasure"  It should be IT.  Damn, I have to proof read these things better.

Philip

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From: 3drecon at comcast.net 

> The last paragraph should be CHAIN of command. 
> sorry. 
> 
> Philip 
> 
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> From: 3drecon at comcast.net 
> 
> > Brad, 
> > First, I will say I was no fan of the Clintons, J. Carter or the liberal 
> > approach in general. Having said that, this war with Islam has been going on 
> > for centuries (someone on the list (you?) sent the map of Middle East 
> > conflicts). Western Europe fought the Ottomans on and off for years. The Arabs 
> > always maintained shaky truces with their colonial masters but the tenant of 
> > their jihad remained the same. 1948 provided the means, a manageable target, 
> > propaganda, a general unifying message for them. Now they could focus the 
> > hatred against anything non-muslim. I don't blame Jimmy Carter for creating 
> the 
> > jihad or fueling it. I don't agree with his approach, and hindsight would 
> teach 
> > he fumbled, but he thought it best at the time and with the USSR and China in 
> > play, he had a lot to consider. 
> > 
> > Reagan dropped the ball when he withdrew the USMC from Lebanon and I am a 
> > great fan of the Gipper. On that issue, I completely disagreed with him. He 
> > had an opportunity there to slam them good in the name of retaliation. 
> > 
> > Clinton inherited the problem. I completely disagree with his approach to 
> > treat international terrorism as a criminal justice issue, but that is the 
> > defining difference between the Democrats and the Republicans. The Democrats 
> > want to treat this "war" as a criminal issue, the Republicans want to treat it 
> > like a war. 
> > 
> > Treating the situation like a criminal problem immediately confers rights 
> > on the terrorists and limits our approach to capturing them (law enforcement's 
> > mission is not to break things and kill the bad guys as a first resort). Then 
> > in court, punishment is limited and we have to disclose how we caught them 
> > (secret intelligence methods) or gathered evidence. Then there are warrants, 
> > extradition. The advantage is, we don't send hundreds of troops. It costs 
> > less. We, hopefully, get the cooperation of many nations and some cooperate 
> > behind the scenes and so are more likely to cooperate. 
> > 
> > Going to war with them has the disadvantages. We are not fighting a 
> > sovereign nation with a standing army with a clear change of command. 
> > Casualties are broadcast daily and the population becomes weary of the war 
> (the 
> > same thing even happened in WWII and the goals were more clear than at anytime 
> > since). I costs the country vast amounts of its treasure. They have a PR 
> > advantage and other countries may not agree with us. There are those countries 
> > that might like to cooperate but won't because of their population sentiments 
> > (for example: the Arab street). Our Army can't just bomb and shoot for fear of 
> > colateral damage which is less of a consideration when facing another army. 
> > 
> > I could go on. I like this video though because it makes clear who the enemy 
> > really is and what they say when the western camera is not on them. 
> > 
> > Philip 
> > 
> > 
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> > From: "Brad Haslett" 
> > 
> > > Philip, 
> > > 
> > > Thanks for the video. I'm about halfway through the book "The Looming 
> > > Towers", which is what the recent TV documentary that upset the Clintonites 
> > > so much was based on. Most of the book is about the rise of al Qaeda and 
> > > the jihadists. I'm convinced by everything I've read from various sources 
> > > this will be a long difficult struggle. Iraq is frustrating because we are 
> > > fighting so many different entities there. Yeah, it has a patina of a 
> > > Shiite v Suni civil war, but what goes seldom mentioned is the outside 
> > > players; Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, and others that provide men and 
> > > arms to the Iraqi insurgents. There's plenty to criticise about the conduct 
> > > of the battle for Iraq, but I firmly believe it is but one front in a much 
> > > larger war. If we don't have the stomach to continue the fight there, the 
> > > fight will come to us on our soil. Just ask Osama. Frankly, al Qaeda is 
> > > much better at PR than we are. They must be laughing their asses off at how 
> > > the Muslim Brotherhood has stirred Somali cab drivers into action in the 
> > > Midwest while we discuss color codes. 
> > > 
> > > Brad 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 11/2/06, 3drecon at comcast.net <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > Want to know how the muslims really feel about us? 
> > > > This is a 12 minute version of a longer documentary film. It seems these 
> > > > people have no political correctness issues to slow them down. 
> > > > 
> > > > Philip 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Don't care? No problem: 
> > > > 
> > > > Learn Arabic. And buy a Koran. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Unless you're willing to fight them. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6331994107023396223&hl=en 
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