[Rhodes22-list] Planes v Buildings

mputnam1 at aol.com mputnam1 at aol.com
Thu Oct 12 21:40:41 EDT 2006


You all know flying.  I don't.  But is it possible the plane was out of control and doing those turns on its own because of an equipment malfunction?
 
- Mark 
 
 
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I did a calculation, and at 156 knot cruise (Cirrus Design web site) and
maximum turn radius of 0.2 miles, that works out to about a 2-g turn
minimum, more if he were flying up the middle of the river and had to turn
tighter.  Is that not a bit aggressive for a rookie pilot and a private
plane?

Jim Connolly

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I think I remember seeing a live interview with one of the eyewitnesses on
CNN yesterday ... and they said that the airplane did some tight turns and
plowed into the building ... 
 
- Mark
 
 
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Noticed an interesting thing when comparing the CNN photo of the building
with Google Earth and the description of the accident.  He was supposedly
flying north along the East River from circling the Statue of Liberty.
Photo shows that he impacted about center of north wall of the building, so
he must have made (at least) one 180-degree turn from somewhere over the
East River.  Assuming that he was flying along the east riverbank, that is a
turn radius of at most 0.22 miles.  I have no reference, but it sounds like
a pretty tight turn at 150+ miles per hour.

Anyone?

Jim Connolly

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[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Brad Haslett
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Bill,

I'm a bit rusty on FAA part 91 regs but I think buildings still have the
right-of-way.  I checked out on the Citation jet at Flight Safety not long
after Thurmon Munson field tested his.  My sim partner and I dubbed the
airplane the Munson burner.  FS didn't think it was funny.

Rik,

Just wait, Congress will get involved and make all small airplanes carry
devices to watch out for jumping buildings.

Bob,

Yep, the forked-tail doctor killer.  This one is a 48' with a ton of mods.
It looks like a P model with the rear window and stinger tail.  I really
wanted a G model (year I was born) but this one was too good to pass up.
It's got a modern T-formation panel and a pretty nice stack of avionics.
I've been following the Mooney M20C market closely for the last year but
finally decided I wanted a bit more room.  The early Bonanzas (Continental
E-225-8 engine) can get an STC for auto-gas which saves a buck and a half
per gallon.  This one has the STC and an aft 20 gallon aux tank.  I figure
if I get it to altitude on avgas and then switch over to 93 octane from Arco
I can get the fuel costs  below that of the Mooney at ten more knots and a
lot more comfort. Twenty gallons is about two hours at altitude - the
MEM-GPT leg is slightly less than two hours.  I sent off for the title
search today and am having the seller send an oil sample off to the lab for
analysis.  If it passes the pre-purchase inspection, I should be able to fly
her home from Prescott, AZ next week.

Brad
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