[Rhodes22-list] Planes v Buildings

[Brad Haslett]

Mark,

Yes, an equipment malfunction is quite possible.  If the PIC experienced an
anal/optical reversion it could result in losing control of the aircraft.

Brad

On 10/12/06, mputnam1 at aol.com <mputnam1 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> You all know flying.  I don't.  But is it possible the plane was out of
> control and doing those turns on its own because of an equipment
> malfunction?
>
> - Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jbconnolly at comcast.net
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Sent: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 8:01 PM
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Planes v Buildings
>
>
> I did a calculation, and at 156 knot cruise (Cirrus Design web site) and
> maximum turn radius of 0.2 miles, that works out to about a 2-g turn
> minimum, more if he were flying up the middle of the river and had to turn
> tighter.  Is that not a bit aggressive for a rookie pilot and a private
> plane?
>
> Jim Connolly
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of mputnam1 at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:29 PM
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>
> I think I remember seeing a live interview with one of the eyewitnesses on
> CNN yesterday ... and they said that the airplane did some tight turns and
> plowed into the building ...
>
> - Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jbconnolly at comcast.net
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Sent: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 6:51 PM
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Planes v Buildings
>
>
> Noticed an interesting thing when comparing the CNN photo of the building
> with Google Earth and the description of the accident.  He was supposedly
> flying north along the East River from circling the Statue of Liberty.
> Photo shows that he impacted about center of north wall of the building,
> so
> he must have made (at least) one 180-degree turn from somewhere over the
> East River.  Assuming that he was flying along the east riverbank, that is
> a
> turn radius of at most 0.22 miles.  I have no reference, but it sounds
> like
> a pretty tight turn at 150+ miles per hour.
>
> Anyone?
>
> Jim Connolly
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Brad Haslett
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 5:17 PM
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> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Planes v Buildings
>
> Bill,
>
> I'm a bit rusty on FAA part 91 regs but I think buildings still have the
> right-of-way.  I checked out on the Citation jet at Flight Safety not long
> after Thurmon Munson field tested his.  My sim partner and I dubbed the
> airplane the Munson burner.  FS didn't think it was funny.
>
> Rik,
>
> Just wait, Congress will get involved and make all small airplanes carry
> devices to watch out for jumping buildings.
>
> Bob,
>
> Yep, the forked-tail doctor killer.  This one is a 48' with a ton of mods.
> It looks like a P model with the rear window and stinger tail.  I really
> wanted a G model (year I was born) but this one was too good to pass up.
> It's got a modern T-formation panel and a pretty nice stack of avionics.
> I've been following the Mooney M20C market closely for the last year but
> finally decided I wanted a bit more room.  The early Bonanzas (Continental
> E-225-8 engine) can get an STC for auto-gas which saves a buck and a half
> per gallon.  This one has the STC and an aft 20 gallon aux tank.  I figure
> if I get it to altitude on avgas and then switch over to 93 octane from
> Arco
> I can get the fuel costs  below that of the Mooney at ten more knots and a
> lot more comfort. Twenty gallons is about two hours at altitude - the
> MEM-GPT leg is slightly less than two hours.  I sent off for the title
> search today and am having the seller send an oil sample off to the lab
> for
> analysis.  If it passes the pre-purchase inspection, I should be able to
> fly
> her home from Prescott, AZ next week.
>
> Brad
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