[Rhodes22-list] Planes v Buildings

[mputnam1 at aol.com]

Brad,
 
I've heard those anal optical reversions are deadly.  Almost as bad as an U.P. Oars malfunction.
 
:-)
 
- Mark
 
 
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Sent: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Planes v Buildings


Mark, 
 
Yes, an equipment malfunction is quite possible. If the PIC experienced an 
anal/optical reversion it could result in losing control of the aircraft. 
 
Brad 
 
On 10/12/06, mputnam1 at aol.com <mputnam1 at aol.com> wrote: 
> 
> You all know flying. I don't. But is it possible the plane was out of 
> control and doing those turns on its own because of an equipment 
> malfunction? 
> 
> - Mark 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: jbconnolly at comcast.net 
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org 
> Sent: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 8:01 PM 
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Planes v Buildings 
> 
> 
> I did a calculation, and at 156 knot cruise (Cirrus Design web site) and 
> maximum turn radius of 0.2 miles, that works out to about a 2-g turn 
> minimum, more if he were flying up the middle of the river and had to turn 
> tighter. Is that not a bit aggressive for a rookie pilot and a private 
> plane? 
> 
> Jim Connolly 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org 
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of mputnam1 at aol.com 
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:29 PM 
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> 
> I think I remember seeing a live interview with one of the eyewitnesses on 
> CNN yesterday ... and they said that the airplane did some tight turns and 
> plowed into the building ... 
> 
> - Mark 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: jbconnolly at comcast.net 
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org 
> Sent: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 6:51 PM 
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Planes v Buildings 
> 
> 
> Noticed an interesting thing when comparing the CNN photo of the building 
> with Google Earth and the description of the accident. He was supposedly 
> flying north along the East River from circling the Statue of Liberty. 
> Photo shows that he impacted about center of north wall of the building, 
> so 
> he must have made (at least) one 180-degree turn from somewhere over the 
> East River. Assuming that he was flying along the east riverbank, that is 
> a 
> turn radius of at most 0.22 miles. I have no reference, but it sounds 
> like 
> a pretty tight turn at 150+ miles per hour. 
> 
> Anyone? 
> 
> Jim Connolly 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org 
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Brad Haslett 
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 5:17 PM 
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Planes v Buildings 
> 
> Bill, 
> 
> I'm a bit rusty on FAA part 91 regs but I think buildings still have the 
> right-of-way. I checked out on the Citation jet at Flight Safety not long 
> after Thurmon Munson field tested his. My sim partner and I dubbed the 
> airplane the Munson burner. FS didn't think it was funny. 
> 
> Rik, 
> 
> Just wait, Congress will get involved and make all small airplanes carry 
> devices to watch out for jumping buildings. 
> 
> Bob, 
> 
> Yep, the forked-tail doctor killer. This one is a 48' with a ton of mods. 
> It looks like a P model with the rear window and stinger tail. I really 
> wanted a G model (year I was born) but this one was too good to pass up. 
> It's got a modern T-formation panel and a pretty nice stack of avionics. 
> I've been following the Mooney M20C market closely for the last year but 
> finally decided I wanted a bit more room. The early Bonanzas (Continental 
> E-225-8 engine) can get an STC for auto-gas which saves a buck and a half 
> per gallon. This one has the STC and an aft 20 gallon aux tank. I figure 
> if I get it to altitude on avgas and then switch over to 93 octane from 
> Arco 
> I can get the fuel costs below that of the Mooney at ten more knots and a 
> lot more comfort. Twenty gallons is about two hours at altitude - the 
> MEM-GPT leg is slightly less than two hours. I sent off for the title 
> search today and am having the seller send an oil sample off to the lab 
> for 
> analysis. If it passes the pre-purchase inspection, I should be able to 
> fly 
> her home from Prescott, AZ next week. 
> 
> Brad 
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