[Rhodes22-list] Politics - The Camel's Nose Is Well Inside TheTent

[Robert Skinner]

For you, Brad - please note that I was referring specifically 
to the availability of RU486 at pharmacies.  As to abortion, 
I don't want to and would not initiate a discussion of that on 
this list.  As someone with step-great-grandchildren, I have 
very mixed, not to say confused, views on that issue, and 
prefer to keep mum.

Pax,
/Robert Skinner
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Hank wrote:
> 
> Brad,
> 
> Right post, wrong poster.  That was Robert Skinner who said that in reply to
> one of my posts.  As for me, I am staunchly against any form of abortion
> except when the life of the mother is at risk.  It all comes from being a
> good catholic.
> 
> Hank
> 
> On 10/27/06, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hank,
> >
> > There's a gazillion good things to reply to today - the beauty of this
> > list.  I pick you!
> >
> > *"And, when it comes to these matters, the decision belongs to the woman.
> > You have no dog in this fight."*
> >
> > You might want to ask my youngest son Alex about that. I spent a gazillion
> > dollars after he was born (and before) to keep my foot door as a father,
> > and
> > would do it again!
> >
> > Despite Dave's comment about poetry, "read between the lines".
> >
> > Alex's Father
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/27/06, Robert Skinner <robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hank,
> > >
> > > I'd hardly regard a pregnancy as an inconvenience.  In many
> > > cases, it is a disaster.  Even in the best of circumstances,
> > > it is a lot of work, worry, and discomfort, to say the least.
> > >
> > > As a pregnancy is literally putting your life on the line,
> > > the option of having a ready-to-hand safety net when one
> > > suffers a "clothing malfunction" is not just a matter of
> > > convenience.
> > >
> > > As there are many parts of the country where pharmacies are
> > > far between, and transportation is often a problem for those
> > > who can least afford to get pregnant, there is a case for
> > > requiring religion-free dispensation.
> > >
> > > And, when it comes to these matters, the decision belongs to
> > > the woman.  You have no dog in this fight.
> > >
> > > I question your analogy.
> > >
> > > /Robert
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Hank wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dave,
> > > >
> > > > As I understand it, the RU84 (did I get that right) is a morning after
> > > > contraceptive.  Hardly a treatment for a serious medical
> > > condition.  Would
> > > > you extend your line of reasoning to the point that all OB/GYN doctors
> > > must
> > > > perform abortions?  The type of treatments that the pharmacists are
> > > refusing
> > > > to treat or support are these same type of convenience treatments, not
> > > those
> > > > requiring treatment for a detrimental disease.
> > > >
> > > > Hank
> > > >
> > > > On 10/26/06, DCLewis1 at aol.com <DCLewis1 at aol.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hank,
> > > > >
> > > > > As you point out, there's a lot to be said for letting you decide
> > how
> > > > > to  run
> > > > > your business, but clearly, that can be taken too far.  Society
> > > > > has  decided,
> > > > > for better or worse, that you can't discriminate based on race,
> > > > > color,  sex,
> > > > > religious convictions, physical handicaps, sexual orientation, and
> > > > > the  list
> > > > > may go on.  We can discuss the reasonableness of those laws, but
> > > they  are
> > > > > generally accepted laws.   All we need is for a guy like  Rummy to
> > > step
> > > > > forward
> > > > > and claim that drunkeness is part of his religious  conviction and
> > > there's
> > > > > a
> > > > > case against the hapless Somali cab driver he wants to  hit, and I
> > > suspect
> > > > > Rummy
> > > > > would win big time (certainly by Somali cab driver  standards).
> > > > >
> > > > > >From my perspective, Moslem cab drivers are a zit to
> > > this  problem.  The
> > > > > real
> > > > > problem is born again Christian doctors and pharmacists  that deny
> > > > > service.
> > > > > They are licensed to be in business by the public,  they are tightly
> > > > > regulated
> > > > > and they benefit greatly from that regulation  and licensing.  I
> > think
> > > is
> > > > > reasonable to expect them to provide the service  they have
> > > represented
> > > > > they
> > > > > would provide, without discrimination.  If a  person were in
> > physical
> > > > > distress, I
> > > > > think it's unreasonable that they be denied  service because the
> > > medical
> > > > > practitioner decided the person was a "good person"  or "bad
> > person",
> > > or
> > > > > the
> > > > > disease or affliction at issue was gods revenge, or any  other hare
> > > > > brained reason.
> > > > > If they want to pass judgement on people,  diseases, conditions,
> > > and/or
> > > > > approved drugs they should be  philosophers or ethicists; if they
> > want
> > > to
> > > > > practice
> > > > > medicine they should be  doctors or pharmacists.  The individual has
> > a
> > > > > choice,
> > > > > but having made that  choice and represented that they would provide
> > a
> > > > > service (which is an  implicit part of their licensing) they are
> > > committed
> > > > > to
> > > > > provide the service  without discrimination to the best of their
> > > ability.
> > > > >
> > > > > I see the whole issue as just another kind of discrimination based
> > on
> > > > > religious convictions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just my opinion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave
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Robert Skinner         Coordinates N43° 41.330', W70° 24.889'
"Squirrel Haven", 9 Gateway Commons, Gorham, Maine 04038-1331
'87 West Wight Potter 15' Mark II # 1618 "Little Dipper"
'94 West Wight Potter 19' Swing Keel Short Rig # 754 "Edith P"
Home message and FAX machine 207-839-8777, Cell 207-653-1752