[Rhodes22-list] Politics - The Camel's Nose Is Well Inside TheTent

[Hank]

Brad,

Right post, wrong poster.  That was Robert Skinner who said that in reply to
one of my posts.  As for me, I am staunchly against any form of abortion
except when the life of the mother is at risk.  It all comes from being a
good catholic.

Hank


On 10/27/06, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hank,
>
> There's a gazillion good things to reply to today - the beauty of this
> list.  I pick you!
>
> *"And, when it comes to these matters, the decision belongs to the woman.
> You have no dog in this fight."*
>
> You might want to ask my youngest son Alex about that. I spent a gazillion
> dollars after he was born (and before) to keep my foot door as a father,
> and
> would do it again!
>
> Despite Dave's comment about poetry, "read between the lines".
>
> Alex's Father
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/27/06, Robert Skinner <robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hank,
> >
> > I'd hardly regard a pregnancy as an inconvenience.  In many
> > cases, it is a disaster.  Even in the best of circumstances,
> > it is a lot of work, worry, and discomfort, to say the least.
> >
> > As a pregnancy is literally putting your life on the line,
> > the option of having a ready-to-hand safety net when one
> > suffers a "clothing malfunction" is not just a matter of
> > convenience.
> >
> > As there are many parts of the country where pharmacies are
> > far between, and transportation is often a problem for those
> > who can least afford to get pregnant, there is a case for
> > requiring religion-free dispensation.
> >
> > And, when it comes to these matters, the decision belongs to
> > the woman.  You have no dog in this fight.
> >
> > I question your analogy.
> >
> > /Robert
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Hank wrote:
> > >
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > > As I understand it, the RU84 (did I get that right) is a morning after
> > > contraceptive.  Hardly a treatment for a serious medical
> > condition.  Would
> > > you extend your line of reasoning to the point that all OB/GYN doctors
> > must
> > > perform abortions?  The type of treatments that the pharmacists are
> > refusing
> > > to treat or support are these same type of convenience treatments, not
> > those
> > > requiring treatment for a detrimental disease.
> > >
> > > Hank
> > >
> > > On 10/26/06, DCLewis1 at aol.com <DCLewis1 at aol.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hank,
> > > >
> > > > As you point out, there's a lot to be said for letting you decide
> how
> > > > to  run
> > > > your business, but clearly, that can be taken too far.  Society
> > > > has  decided,
> > > > for better or worse, that you can't discriminate based on race,
> > > > color,  sex,
> > > > religious convictions, physical handicaps, sexual orientation, and
> > > > the  list
> > > > may go on.  We can discuss the reasonableness of those laws, but
> > they  are
> > > > generally accepted laws.   All we need is for a guy like  Rummy to
> > step
> > > > forward
> > > > and claim that drunkeness is part of his religious  conviction and
> > there's
> > > > a
> > > > case against the hapless Somali cab driver he wants to  hit, and I
> > suspect
> > > > Rummy
> > > > would win big time (certainly by Somali cab driver  standards).
> > > >
> > > > >From my perspective, Moslem cab drivers are a zit to
> > this  problem.  The
> > > > real
> > > > problem is born again Christian doctors and pharmacists  that deny
> > > > service.
> > > > They are licensed to be in business by the public,  they are tightly
> > > > regulated
> > > > and they benefit greatly from that regulation  and licensing.  I
> think
> > is
> > > > reasonable to expect them to provide the service  they have
> > represented
> > > > they
> > > > would provide, without discrimination.  If a  person were in
> physical
> > > > distress, I
> > > > think it's unreasonable that they be denied  service because the
> > medical
> > > > practitioner decided the person was a "good person"  or "bad
> person",
> > or
> > > > the
> > > > disease or affliction at issue was gods revenge, or any  other hare
> > > > brained reason.
> > > > If they want to pass judgement on people,  diseases, conditions,
> > and/or
> > > > approved drugs they should be  philosophers or ethicists; if they
> want
> > to
> > > > practice
> > > > medicine they should be  doctors or pharmacists.  The individual has
> a
> > > > choice,
> > > > but having made that  choice and represented that they would provide
> a
> > > > service (which is an  implicit part of their licensing) they are
> > committed
> > > > to
> > > > provide the service  without discrimination to the best of their
> > ability.
> > > >
> > > > I see the whole issue as just another kind of discrimination based
> on
> > > > religious convictions.
> > > >
> > > > Just my opinion.
> > > >
> > > > Dave
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