[Rhodes22-list] Re: Politics - Dogs In the Hunt (was "The Camel's Nose Is Well Inside TheTent")

[Herb Parsons]

Alex's Father,

Isn't it amazing how folks view the "sperm donor" in situations like
this?

Because of possibly a single night of "unprotected passion", a man can
be placed in the situation of either having his progeny killed, hidden
from him forever, or be forced to support that progeny until he/she
reaches the age of up to 23!

That's the hypocrisy of many in this country. If it's "solely the
woman's decision", then it should be solely the woman's responsibility.

Personally, I think it should be neither. SOCIETY has a "dog in this
hunt" as well.


Herb Parsons

S/V O'Jure
1976 O'Day 25
Lake Grapevine, N TX

S/V Reve de Papa
1971 Coronado 35
Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast 

>>> flybrad at gmail.com 10/27/2006 2:26:51 pm >>>
Hank,

There's a gazillion good things to reply to today - the beauty of this
list.  I pick you!

*"And, when it comes to these matters, the decision belongs to the
woman.
 You have no dog in this fight."*

You might want to ask my youngest son Alex about that. I spent a
gazillion
dollars after he was born (and before) to keep my foot door as a
father, and
would do it again!

Despite Dave's comment about poetry, "read between the lines".

Alex's Father






On 10/27/06, Robert Skinner <robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
>
> Hank,
>
> I'd hardly regard a pregnancy as an inconvenience.  In many
> cases, it is a disaster.  Even in the best of circumstances,
> it is a lot of work, worry, and discomfort, to say the least.
>
> As a pregnancy is literally putting your life on the line,
> the option of having a ready-to-hand safety net when one
> suffers a "clothing malfunction" is not just a matter of
> convenience.
>
> As there are many parts of the country where pharmacies are
> far between, and transportation is often a problem for those
> who can least afford to get pregnant, there is a case for
> requiring religion-free dispensation.
>
> And, when it comes to these matters, the decision belongs to
> the woman.  You have no dog in this fight.
>
> I question your analogy.
>
> /Robert
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Hank wrote:
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > As I understand it, the RU84 (did I get that right) is a morning
after
> > contraceptive.  Hardly a treatment for a serious medical
> condition.  Would
> > you extend your line of reasoning to the point that all OB/GYN
doctors
> must
> > perform abortions?  The type of treatments that the pharmacists
are
> refusing
> > to treat or support are these same type of convenience treatments,
not
> those
> > requiring treatment for a detrimental disease.
> >
> > Hank
> >
> > On 10/26/06, DCLewis1 at aol.com <DCLewis1 at aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hank,
> > >
> > > As you point out, there's a lot to be said for letting you decide
how
> > > to  run
> > > your business, but clearly, that can be taken too far.  Society
> > > has  decided,
> > > for better or worse, that you can't discriminate based on race,
> > > color,  sex,
> > > religious convictions, physical handicaps, sexual orientation,
and
> > > the  list
> > > may go on.  We can discuss the reasonableness of those laws, but
> they  are
> > > generally accepted laws.   All we need is for a guy like  Rummy
to
> step
> > > forward
> > > and claim that drunkeness is part of his religious  conviction
and
> there's
> > > a
> > > case against the hapless Somali cab driver he wants to  hit, and
I
> suspect
> > > Rummy
> > > would win big time (certainly by Somali cab driver  standards).
> > >
> > > >From my perspective, Moslem cab drivers are a zit to
> this  problem.  The
> > > real
> > > problem is born again Christian doctors and pharmacists  that
deny
> > > service.
> > > They are licensed to be in business by the public,  they are
tightly
> > > regulated
> > > and they benefit greatly from that regulation  and licensing.  I
think
> is
> > > reasonable to expect them to provide the service  they have
> represented
> > > they
> > > would provide, without discrimination.  If a  person were in
physical
> > > distress, I
> > > think it's unreasonable that they be denied  service because the
> medical
> > > practitioner decided the person was a "good person"  or "bad
person",
> or
> > > the
> > > disease or affliction at issue was gods revenge, or any  other
hare
> > > brained reason.
> > > If they want to pass judgement on people,  diseases, conditions,
> and/or
> > > approved drugs they should be  philosophers or ethicists; if they
want
> to
> > > practice
> > > medicine they should be  doctors or pharmacists.  The individual
has a
> > > choice,
> > > but having made that  choice and represented that they would
provide a
> > > service (which is an  implicit part of their licensing) they are
> committed
> > > to
> > > provide the service  without discrimination to the best of their
> ability.
> > >
> > > I see the whole issue as just another kind of discrimination
based on
> > > religious convictions.
> > >
> > > Just my opinion.
> > >
> > > Dave
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