[Rhodes22-list] anchor off the stern (LIS)

[Hank]

Hey Mike,

Not trying to kibbutz, but don't you have the bit about anchor scope
backwards?  Usually, you want somewhere around a 7:1 scope, that is, 7 ft of
anchor line for each foot of depth.  Therefore, the deeper the water, the
more line needed.

Hank

On 10/30/06, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> We sail out of Kings Park, NY.  Depending on the wind, the crew, the
> Admiral, etc. We sail on the "North Shore" somewhere from Port Washington
> to
> Mount Sinai, usually.  There is much to do and see in the areas along Long
> Island and the wind is usually pretty good, although it is stronger on the
> South Shore.  The benefit of sailing the LIS is that it is less than 20
> miles to CT, a good destination for both daysails and overnights (try the
> Thimble Islands near Norwalk, CT).
>
> I am sorry that you spent a night at the dock.  Unless the wave action is
> less than 1 foot (no wind either) the boat will move against the dock and
> lines all night.  Remember, the tide difference on the north side of LI
> are
> 7-8 feet!  This does not make for a restful night.  At least the wind
> would
> have kept the bugs away.
>
> When we are at our mooring at the Nissequogue River, we are quite firmly
> attached to a single 200 lb mushroom anchor, although we do use dual bow
> pennants for safety.  This permits us to point into the wind (and the
> current.)  When mooring in the vicinity of other craft, it is particularly
> important to observe the anchor systems in use so that your boat will
> respond to changes in wind and current in a similar manner to avoid
> bumping
> and damage.  Do not anchor too close to dissimilar boats since some sail
> and
> motor crafts respond to changes in wind and current direction at different
> rates.  This was a difficult lesson for a previous harbormaster who tried
> to
> locate moorings too close together.
>
> When away from our mooring, we use a stern anchor in conjunction with the
> bow anchor to limit movement.  Sometimes this is necessary when anchored
> in
> close quarters with other craft such as off a beach when swimming.  Since
> the water is shallow, one must let out quite a bit of line to maintain
> rules
> of scope.  If a single anchor was used, the resulting movement could be
> dangerous.
>
> The other times that I employ two anchors is to maintain the position of
> the
> boat with respect to waves and wind.  One of our favorite beaches has a
> jetty and sandbar configuration that results in strong wave action that
> may
> not correspond to the wind.  In order to keep the boat pointed into the
> waves and not necessarily the wind, I use a stern anchor.  This makes it
> much easier to discharge and reboard passengers using the swim ladder,
> minimizing injuries since the boat is not pitching and rolling.
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>
> From: "Joseph Hadzima" <josef508 at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:09 PM
>
>
> thanks for the update Mike:
>
> And which parts of LIS do you sail?
>
> We did a little trip this Summer (Noank CT to Newport RI
> with quick swing by Orient Pt NY).  We did a bearboat
> charter of an O'Day 28.
>
> We used only a single anchor, or rented a mooring.  First
> night tied to the dock (owner set us up) & I thought we
> were gonna split the hull (not literally - but didn't like
> it)!  Deployed all the fenders and a cushion on the dock
> side, and was up all night checking for damage.  Strong
> winds and current pushing us into the dock all night.
>
> Same conditions another night (plus rain), but at the
> mooring, and we had a very nice rest.  Head to wind all
> night, checked several times and noticed we did swing a
> bit, but then so did everyone else at the other moorings.
>
> I'd be concerned that two anchors would mess with the
> natural order of the boat to point to windward, and
> increase the probability to drag an anchor, or just have
> the boat rock side to side.  I guess you're saying that
> this isn't the case with you?
>
>
> joe/hadz.
>
>
> --- "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
> > Bill E, Art, Hadz, et al,
> >
> > We carry both a bow and a stern anchor.  In LIS, it is
> > necessary to use a
> > bow/stern anchor technique (or a forked anchor) to limit
> > movement due to the
> > number and proximity of other craft.  I also favor a b/s
> > form to minimize
> > the effect of the wind and wave action on those staying
> > aboard.
> >
> > Although I favor setting the bow anchor initially, we
> > sail in a fairly
> > congested region of the world, and it has been very nice
> > to be able to
> > deploy the stern anchor alone and quickly while working
> > to quickly furl and
> > drop sails in an emergency situation.
> >
> > I maintain two fluke anchors, one on the bow pulpit and
> > the second bungeed
> > to the stern rail.  The bow anchor is cleated to the
> > forward mooring cleats
> > on the deck.  This requires crew on deck to deploy and
> > recover.  The bow
> > anchor line is stored in the forward locker without
> > problem or tangling -
> > storage requires careful technique.  The stern anchor
> > line is cleated to one
> > of the side mooring cleats accessible from the cockpit.
> > The stern line is
> > in a spackle bucket in the laz, also carefully stored for
> > tangle-free
> > deployment.  I have always been taught to take the time
> > to properly store
> > any line since it may need to be deployed in a hurry.
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >
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