[Rhodes22-list] anchor off the stern (LIS)

[Ronald Lipton]

Hank,

    Since we have been discussing grammer and usage; it's kibbitz,   
kibbutz
is an Israeli collective community. (Should I have used a semicolon?
is the comma correct?  Perhaps I should have used a dash.)

Ron
On Oct 30, 2006, at 7:12 PM, Hank wrote:

> Hey Mike,
>
> Not trying to kibbutz, but don't you have the bit about anchor scope
> backwards?  Usually, you want somewhere around a 7:1 scope, that  
> is, 7 ft of
> anchor line for each foot of depth.  Therefore, the deeper the  
> water, the
> more line needed.
>
> Hank
>
> On 10/30/06, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>>
>> Joe,
>>
>> We sail out of Kings Park, NY.  Depending on the wind, the crew, the
>> Admiral, etc. We sail on the "North Shore" somewhere from Port  
>> Washington
>> to
>> Mount Sinai, usually.  There is much to do and see in the areas  
>> along Long
>> Island and the wind is usually pretty good, although it is  
>> stronger on the
>> South Shore.  The benefit of sailing the LIS is that it is less  
>> than 20
>> miles to CT, a good destination for both daysails and overnights  
>> (try the
>> Thimble Islands near Norwalk, CT).
>>
>> I am sorry that you spent a night at the dock.  Unless the wave  
>> action is
>> less than 1 foot (no wind either) the boat will move against the  
>> dock and
>> lines all night.  Remember, the tide difference on the north side  
>> of LI
>> are
>> 7-8 feet!  This does not make for a restful night.  At least the wind
>> would
>> have kept the bugs away.
>>
>> When we are at our mooring at the Nissequogue River, we are quite  
>> firmly
>> attached to a single 200 lb mushroom anchor, although we do use  
>> dual bow
>> pennants for safety.  This permits us to point into the wind (and the
>> current.)  When mooring in the vicinity of other craft, it is  
>> particularly
>> important to observe the anchor systems in use so that your boat will
>> respond to changes in wind and current in a similar manner to avoid
>> bumping
>> and damage.  Do not anchor too close to dissimilar boats since  
>> some sail
>> and
>> motor crafts respond to changes in wind and current direction at  
>> different
>> rates.  This was a difficult lesson for a previous harbormaster  
>> who tried
>> to
>> locate moorings too close together.
>>
>> When away from our mooring, we use a stern anchor in conjunction  
>> with the
>> bow anchor to limit movement.  Sometimes this is necessary when  
>> anchored
>> in
>> close quarters with other craft such as off a beach when  
>> swimming.  Since
>> the water is shallow, one must let out quite a bit of line to  
>> maintain
>> rules
>> of scope.  If a single anchor was used, the resulting movement  
>> could be
>> dangerous.
>>
>> The other times that I employ two anchors is to maintain the  
>> position of
>> the
>> boat with respect to waves and wind.  One of our favorite beaches  
>> has a
>> jetty and sandbar configuration that results in strong wave action  
>> that
>> may
>> not correspond to the wind.  In order to keep the boat pointed  
>> into the
>> waves and not necessarily the wind, I use a stern anchor.  This  
>> makes it
>> much easier to discharge and reboard passengers using the swim  
>> ladder,
>> minimizing injuries since the boat is not pitching and rolling.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>
>> From: "Joseph Hadzima" <josef508 at yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:09 PM
>>
>>
>> thanks for the update Mike:
>>
>> And which parts of LIS do you sail?
>>
>> We did a little trip this Summer (Noank CT to Newport RI
>> with quick swing by Orient Pt NY).  We did a bearboat
>> charter of an O'Day 28.
>>
>> We used only a single anchor, or rented a mooring.  First
>> night tied to the dock (owner set us up) & I thought we
>> were gonna split the hull (not literally - but didn't like
>> it)!  Deployed all the fenders and a cushion on the dock
>> side, and was up all night checking for damage.  Strong
>> winds and current pushing us into the dock all night.
>>
>> Same conditions another night (plus rain), but at the
>> mooring, and we had a very nice rest.  Head to wind all
>> night, checked several times and noticed we did swing a
>> bit, but then so did everyone else at the other moorings.
>>
>> I'd be concerned that two anchors would mess with the
>> natural order of the boat to point to windward, and
>> increase the probability to drag an anchor, or just have
>> the boat rock side to side.  I guess you're saying that
>> this isn't the case with you?
>>
>>
>> joe/hadz.
>>
>>
>> --- "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Bill E, Art, Hadz, et al,
>> >
>> > We carry both a bow and a stern anchor.  In LIS, it is
>> > necessary to use a
>> > bow/stern anchor technique (or a forked anchor) to limit
>> > movement due to the
>> > number and proximity of other craft.  I also favor a b/s
>> > form to minimize
>> > the effect of the wind and wave action on those staying
>> > aboard.
>> >
>> > Although I favor setting the bow anchor initially, we
>> > sail in a fairly
>> > congested region of the world, and it has been very nice
>> > to be able to
>> > deploy the stern anchor alone and quickly while working
>> > to quickly furl and
>> > drop sails in an emergency situation.
>> >
>> > I maintain two fluke anchors, one on the bow pulpit and
>> > the second bungeed
>> > to the stern rail.  The bow anchor is cleated to the
>> > forward mooring cleats
>> > on the deck.  This requires crew on deck to deploy and
>> > recover.  The bow
>> > anchor line is stored in the forward locker without
>> > problem or tangling -
>> > storage requires careful technique.  The stern anchor
>> > line is cleated to one
>> > of the side mooring cleats accessible from the cockpit.
>> > The stern line is
>> > in a spackle bucket in the laz, also carefully stored for
>> > tangle-free
>> > deployment.  I have always been taught to take the time
>> > to properly store
>> > any line since it may need to be deployed in a hurry.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> >
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