[Rhodes22-list] anchor off the stern (LIS)

[L. Sailor]

Ron,

: and then ;

(It is going to be a L-O-O-O-N-G winter....   ;^)

elle

--- Ronald Lipton <rlipton at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hank,
> 
>     Since we have been discussing grammer and usage;
> it's kibbitz,   
> kibbutz
> is an Israeli collective community. (Should I have
> used a semicolon?
> is the comma correct?  Perhaps I should have used a
> dash.)
> 
> Ron
> On Oct 30, 2006, at 7:12 PM, Hank wrote:
> 
> > Hey Mike,
> >
> > Not trying to kibbutz, but don't you have the bit
> about anchor scope
> > backwards?  Usually, you want somewhere around a
> 7:1 scope, that  
> > is, 7 ft of
> > anchor line for each foot of depth.  Therefore,
> the deeper the  
> > water, the
> > more line needed.
> >
> > Hank
> >
> > On 10/30/06, Michael D. Weisner
> <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Joe,
> >>
> >> We sail out of Kings Park, NY.  Depending on the
> wind, the crew, the
> >> Admiral, etc. We sail on the "North Shore"
> somewhere from Port  
> >> Washington
> >> to
> >> Mount Sinai, usually.  There is much to do and
> see in the areas  
> >> along Long
> >> Island and the wind is usually pretty good,
> although it is  
> >> stronger on the
> >> South Shore.  The benefit of sailing the LIS is
> that it is less  
> >> than 20
> >> miles to CT, a good destination for both daysails
> and overnights  
> >> (try the
> >> Thimble Islands near Norwalk, CT).
> >>
> >> I am sorry that you spent a night at the dock. 
> Unless the wave  
> >> action is
> >> less than 1 foot (no wind either) the boat will
> move against the  
> >> dock and
> >> lines all night.  Remember, the tide difference
> on the north side  
> >> of LI
> >> are
> >> 7-8 feet!  This does not make for a restful
> night.  At least the wind
> >> would
> >> have kept the bugs away.
> >>
> >> When we are at our mooring at the Nissequogue
> River, we are quite  
> >> firmly
> >> attached to a single 200 lb mushroom anchor,
> although we do use  
> >> dual bow
> >> pennants for safety.  This permits us to point
> into the wind (and the
> >> current.)  When mooring in the vicinity of other
> craft, it is  
> >> particularly
> >> important to observe the anchor systems in use so
> that your boat will
> >> respond to changes in wind and current in a
> similar manner to avoid
> >> bumping
> >> and damage.  Do not anchor too close to
> dissimilar boats since  
> >> some sail
> >> and
> >> motor crafts respond to changes in wind and
> current direction at  
> >> different
> >> rates.  This was a difficult lesson for a
> previous harbormaster  
> >> who tried
> >> to
> >> locate moorings too close together.
> >>
> >> When away from our mooring, we use a stern anchor
> in conjunction  
> >> with the
> >> bow anchor to limit movement.  Sometimes this is
> necessary when  
> >> anchored
> >> in
> >> close quarters with other craft such as off a
> beach when  
> >> swimming.  Since
> >> the water is shallow, one must let out quite a
> bit of line to  
> >> maintain
> >> rules
> >> of scope.  If a single anchor was used, the
> resulting movement  
> >> could be
> >> dangerous.
> >>
> >> The other times that I employ two anchors is to
> maintain the  
> >> position of
> >> the
> >> boat with respect to waves and wind.  One of our
> favorite beaches  
> >> has a
> >> jetty and sandbar configuration that results in
> strong wave action  
> >> that
> >> may
> >> not correspond to the wind.  In order to keep the
> boat pointed  
> >> into the
> >> waves and not necessarily the wind, I use a stern
> anchor.  This  
> >> makes it
> >> much easier to discharge and reboard passengers
> using the swim  
> >> ladder,
> >> minimizing injuries since the boat is not
> pitching and rolling.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >>
> >> From: "Joseph Hadzima" <josef508 at yahoo.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:09 PM
> >>
> >>
> >> thanks for the update Mike:
> >>
> >> And which parts of LIS do you sail?
> >>
> >> We did a little trip this Summer (Noank CT to
> Newport RI
> >> with quick swing by Orient Pt NY).  We did a
> bearboat
> >> charter of an O'Day 28.
> >>
> >> We used only a single anchor, or rented a
> mooring.  First
> >> night tied to the dock (owner set us up) & I
> thought we
> >> were gonna split the hull (not literally - but
> didn't like
> >> it)!  Deployed all the fenders and a cushion on
> the dock
> >> side, and was up all night checking for damage. 
> Strong
> >> winds and current pushing us into the dock all
> night.
> >>
> >> Same conditions another night (plus rain), but at
> the
> >> mooring, and we had a very nice rest.  Head to
> wind all
> >> night, checked several times and noticed we did
> swing a
> >> bit, but then so did everyone else at the other
> moorings.
> >>
> >> I'd be concerned that two anchors would mess with
> the
> >> natural order of the boat to point to windward,
> and
> >> increase the probability to drag an anchor, or
> just have
> >> the boat rock side to side.  I guess you're
> saying that
> >> this isn't the case with you?
> >>
> >>
> >> joe/hadz.
> >>
> >>
> >> --- "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Bill E, Art, Hadz, et al,
> >> >
> >> > We carry both a bow and a stern anchor.  In
> LIS, it is
> >> > necessary to use a
> >> > bow/stern anchor technique (or a forked anchor)
> to limit
> 
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