[Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
Saroj Gilbert
saroj at pathfind.net
Mon Sep 18 23:39:25 EDT 2006
Relative to what? a 40' Morgan? pointing? beam reach? broad reach?
I wouldn't normally go out in steady 20 knot winds, but I have been caught
out in them and with a furled main or no main at all.. (just using the
genny), I haven't found the boat hard to handle at all...
One of the neat things about the Rhodes22 is that the first reef point is to
lower the boom (at least with a standard main); you don't want to do this in
a 20-knot wind for the first time without knowing the drill... (as I did
once... and ended up with the sail coming out of the slot.. all kinds of fun
and excitement)... but it lowers the center of force considerably... next is
to reef it.. mine has a boom that rolls.. poor man's IMF... but I also have
reef points in the sail... so not a problem.
you can always drop all sails and turn on the motor or heave-to until the
wind settles down...
or bury the rails and enjoy the ride!
Go to the General Boats site and read up on Stan's treatise on what happens
when the Rhodes22 is overpowered... she is designed to round up into the
wind...
Saroj
----- Original Message -----
From: "Erly Garner" <erlyg at charter.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> I've gotten news that the Rhodes 22 isn't exactly easy to handle in
> stronger winds. What are your feelings on handling in say 20 knots or a
> little stronger?
>
> Erly
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Keller" <r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 8:07 PM
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>
>
>> Philip,
>> I think the wide beam and flared hull does make the boat more stable and
>> less prone to capsize. But I also think a deeper fixed keel would do the
>> same and would point better. However, it's not as trailerable, so there
>> are always compromises. My point was that the wide beam negatively
>> affects pointing ability. I previously owned a 21' piece of crap boat
>> that had a very heavy, steel swing keel. The beam was also pretty
>> narrow-probably 6 feet. It pointed very high and was very stable. But
>> it smelled really bad...
>> Bob K
>>
>>
>>>From: "Philip" <3drecon at comcast.net>
>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>>Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:09:05 -0400
>>>
>>>Bob,
>>> Doesn't the wide beam make the boat more laterally stable, that is,
>>> less
>>>prone to capsize?
>>>
>>>Philip
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bob Keller
>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:37 PM
>>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>>
>>>Erly,
>>>I've had my '95 R-22 for 5 years in both fresh and salt water and I do
>>>love
>>>the boat, but the boat and design does have some drawbacks. It does not
>>>point very high into the wind because of the wide beam and lack of a deep
>>>fixed keel (which makes it trailerable). The keel centerboard
>>>combination
>>>is also a compromise and my "diamond-board" configuration is just not
>>>that
>>>great for windward sailing. In five years I have had ongoing, almost
>>>continuous problems with the centerboard not raising and lowering freely
>>>and
>>>am currently having those problems again. Matter of fact am going to
>>>pull
>>>the boat next weekend and try to repair the centerboard again. While the
>>>Compac 23 does not have the amenities, it does have a fixed keel and
>>>probably points better because I don't think the beam is as wide. Still,
>>>I
>>>chose the Rhodes over the Compac and have been very pleased, despite
>>>these
>>>ongoing problems. If you have the "older design" centerboard, you might
>>>be
>>>better off. Good luck.
>>>Bob K
>>>Yankee Clipper
>>>
>>>
>>> >From: "Erly Garner" <erlyg at charter.net>
>>> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>> >Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:02:18 -0500
>>> >
>>> >My auto manual says absolutely 3500 lb. tow limit....Doesn't sound too
>>> >good. Maybe it's time I thought about getting a new car.
>>> >
>>> >Erly
>>> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lou Troy"
>>> ><mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>>> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:47 PM
>>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>Erly, What's the van rated for? Our Chev Blazer is rated to tow 5,000
>>> >>lbs. It does ok hauling the Rhodes but we only tow it a couple of
>>> >>times
>>>a
>>> >>year. It we were to tow long distances more often and if we had a lot
>>> >>of
>>> >>hills we might look for something a little beefier. The Rhodes does
>>> >>tow
>>> >>well but it's fairly heavy for its size (all those amenities weigh
>>> >>something). Because of the 9 stays it takes a bit longer to set up
>>> >>than
>>>a
>>> >>boat with fewer. On the plus side is the IMF which allows you to raise
>>> >>mast, sails and boom all at once. Of course that bundle is heavier
>>> >>than
>>> >>the individual pieces so a mast raising system like the once GB sells
>>> >>comes in very handy.
>>> >>
>>> >>Best,
>>> >>
>>> >>Mary Lou
>>> >>1991 R22 Fretless
>>> >>Swan Creek (Rock Hall, MD)
>>> >>
>>> >>At 08:31 PM 9/17/2006, you wrote:
>>> >>>I'm probably about 5 hrs or so from Edenton and am planning a trip
>>> >>>for
>>>a
>>> >>>check-out sail. I haven't heard any comments about towing with my
>>> >>>Toyota. I assume most are towed with an suv or resonably sized truck.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Erly
>>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip" <3drecon at comcast.net>
>>> >>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:17 PM
>>> >>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>See, I said there is a negative for every positive and visa versa
>>>(i.e.
>>> >>>>the
>>> >>>>boring list).
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> >>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Brad
>>> >>>>Haslett
>>> >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:05 PM
>>> >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>Philip,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>No, S2 (Tiara) is another great choice. They made a 22' foot boat
>>>that
>>> >>>>kicked ass on the racing circuit. Their gelcoat quality is
>>> >>>>legendary.
>>> >>>>The
>>> >>>>9.2 S2 center cockpit (my boat) gives the most room of any 30 footer
>>> >>>>ever
>>> >>>>built at the expense of being ugly. Leon Slicker, (S2 builder) is a
>>> >>>>'Stanish" kind of guy but on a larger scale (boat numbers wise).
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>But....they have the dullest e-mail list in the history of
>>> >>>>sailboats.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>'Bigger is better' is only a state of mind. There are so many days
>>>that
>>> >>>>I
>>> >>>>long for the smaller boat. If you want a 22 footer, the search is
>>>over.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>Brad
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>On 9/17/06, Philip <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>One of the negatives is, it would be nice if it were 26 feet, but
>>>then
>>> >>>>>it
>>> >>>>>wouldn't be as easily "trailerable". It would be nice if the
>>> >>>>>company
>>> >>>>>were
>>> >>>>a
>>> >>>>>great world wide corporation, but then you wouldn't get the
>>> >>>>>personal
>>> >>>>>attention from the owner (Stan). I can't think of anymore
>>> >>>>>negatives.
>>> >>>>>But
>>> >>>>>with each negative, there is a positive. This is one outstanding
>>>boat.
>>> >>>>The
>>> >>>>>only reason to buy something else is size.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>Philip
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>>> >>>>> >> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Erly Garner
>>> >>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:40 PM
>>> >>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>Ed K
>>> >>>>>I'm located close to Hickory, NC. Presently, I'm sold on the
>>> >>>>>Rhodes
>>> >>>>>but
>>> >>>>>want to be informed of both sides of the coin before making an
>>> >>>>>investment.
>>> >>>>>I'm relatively certain that my present vehicle can't tow a Rhodes
>>> >>>>>(93
>>> >>>>>Toyota
>>> >>>>>Previa Van) but have reserved hopes. There are bound to be some
>>> >>>>>negative
>>> >>>>>sides to a Rhodes, I just can't seem to find any.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>Erly
>>> >>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>>>From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>> >>>>>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:45 PM
>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>Erly:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> You came to the wrong house to find con's to Rhodes 22. When
>>> >>>>>comparing with the Com-Pac line you have to go to the CP 25 to
>>> >>>>>compare. And
>>> >>>>>then you do not have the type trailerability of the Rhodes 22. As
>>>the
>>> >>>>>owner
>>> >>>>>of Com Pac told me, yes you can trail a 25, at the beginning of the
>>> >>>>>season
>>> >>>>>and at the end of the season.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> If you want to trail without a big truck there just is not
>>> >>>>>currently
>>> >>>>>another design that works like the Rhodes 22, tis fact.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> One person can rig, launch, retrieve and unrig a Rhodes 22,
>>> >>>>> it
>>> >>>>>is
>>> >>>>>done all the time by members of this list.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Where are you located? Have you seen a Rhodes 22? Look at
>>>this
>>> >>>>>web
>>> >>>>>site:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>http://www.frappr.com/rhodes22
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>Ed K
>>> >>>>>Greenville, SC, USA
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>Erly Garner wrote:
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> > Hi:
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> > I've done limited sailing with my brother on his Compac 19. I'm
>>> >>>>>just
>>> >>>>>now
>>> >>>>> > getting serious about getting my own boat and my research
>>> >>>>>indicates > that
>>> >>>>> > the Rhodes 22 seems to be a real dream boat. I've got to have
>>> >>>>>an > easily
>>> >>>>> > trailerable craft (definite MUST), mostly plan on lake sailing,
>>> >>>>>girlfriend
>>> >>>>> > insists on enclosed head, a few lake side overnights on
>>> >>>>> > weekends,
>>> >>>>>and
>>> >>>>>want
>>> >>>>> > to do limited salt water upon retiring. Big brother say there
>>> >>>>> > is
>>>no
>>> >>>>>other
>>> >>>>> > boat but the Compac. What are the down sides and disadvantages
>>> >>>>> > of
>>>a
>>> >>>>> > Rhodes? How trailerable is it (smallest vehicle to pull)?
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> > Thanks,
>>> >>>>> > Erly
>>> >>>>> > __________________________________________________
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>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>--
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>>> >>>>>http://www.nabble.com/cons-of-rhodes-22-tf2287738.html#a6355270
>>> >>>>>Sent from the Rhodes22 forum at Nabble.com.
>>> >>>>>
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