[Rhodes22-list] boating and dealing with human excrement..
was:Erly and towing the Rhodes 22
3drecon at comcast.net
3drecon at comcast.net
Tue Sep 19 14:59:08 EDT 2006
Saroj,
Come to think of it, I may have seen the composting toilets in a sailing magazine, maybe Cruising World. They discussed taking the composting out at the end of the season and just leaving it outside or in the shed until spring. Dump it in the garden and back into the boat it goes. Sounded pretty good. I would be worried about capacity and CW usually deals with larger boats (e.g. larger heads).
Philip
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From: "Saroj Gilbert" <saroj at pathfind.net>
> Thanks, Philip... I will certainly do that research when (and IF) I have the
> need... Although it sounds pretty gross to dump urine over the side,
> realistically, what body of water that allows swimming doesn't have this
> happen on a regular basis... to say nothing of the numerous other animals
> that regularly introduce various bodily fluids into it.... I'm also not
> crazy about the use of plastic bags to deal with the "harder" stuff, but
> given the circumstances, I don't have a better alternative. At least with a
> composting toilet, the "processing" is local.
>
> Saroj
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <3drecon at comcast.net>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boating and dealing with human excrement..
> was:Erly and towing the Rhodes 22
>
>
> > Saroj,
> > Thanks. I had not cleaned one of these before. I will follow your
> > directions and hopefully have a happy outcome. I am not unused to
> > cleaning this type of thing. A stint in the USMC and years in the Army is
> > good training for it and though I have achieved a rank where you wouldn't
> > expect me to do that, believe it or not, rank has very few privilages
> > these days.
> > Stan actually told me to throw it out if I didn't want to fool with
> > it, but I hate throwing away things that are not broken. I'll have to see
> > how ambitious I am this week-end.
> > When I was researching boats, I found composting toilets on-line for
> > marine applications. I don't remember where I saw them but you can do a
> > search or if I run across it again I'll post it.
> >
> > Philip
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "Saroj Gilbert"
> >
> >> Philip... why don't you just take out the portapotty (very carefully!),..
> >> place
> >> it in a large contractors heavy guage plastic bag, seal it well and then
> >> replace
> >> it when you return the boat to Stan. Or better still ask Stan if you can
> >> simply
> >> throw it out... I can't believe he would want it back to have to be
> >> cleaned
> >> before passing it onto someone else! Cleaning a porta potty... especially
> >> someone else's is one of the most disgusting tasks I can think of.
> >>
> >> However if you are set on cleaning it, here's how:
> >> a.. put on a gas mask
> >> b.. remove it from its clamps
> >> c.. set the bar so the waste compartment is sealed
> >> d.. separate the top (that holds the fresh water for flushing) from the
> >> bottom
> >> (the waste tank)
> >> e.. empty the waste tank down a toilet or dumping station
> >> f.. pour bleach and water into the waste tank and brush it out same as
> >> you
> >> would clean a household toilet
> >> g.. empty, rinse, empty rinse, redo the bleach/water routine, empty,
> >> rinse,
> >> empty rinse a few more times
> >> h.. spray the top part with Clorox cleanup or some equivalent and hose it
> >> down
> >> a few times...
> >> Then put the whole thing back together; put it in a heavy bag per above,
> >> store
> >> it until you return the boat to Stan. :o)
> >>
> >> Then, if you are feeling especially generous, reinstall it as it was...
> >>
> >> I frankly can't deal with porta potties... even if they are contaminated
> >> only
> >> with my DNA! In fact it is rare that I've been on a boat with a holding
> >> tank
> >> that didn't have a vestige of sewage odor in it somewhere... and,
> >> frankly, if I
> >> owned a boat with a holding tank, I wouldn't allow any paper to be put in
> >> it
> >> anyway... which means having a plastic bag in the head for the paper...
> >> more
> >> yuck... and more smell!
> >>
> >> I prefer a hand-held urinal and a 5-gallon bucket with a toilet seat and
> >> plastic
> >> bag... nothing to clean other than the toilet seat from time to time.. a
> >> quick
> >> wipe! The urinal gets dumped over the side and rinsed...
> >>
> >> A well-designed composting toilet is the only thing that makes sense to
> >> me on a
> >> boat (other than hanging one's rear-end over the side), but I've never
> >> heard of
> >> one being made for marine usage.
> >>
> >> Saroj
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Brad Haslett"
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:00 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Erly and towing the Rhodes 22
> >>
> >>
> >> > Philip,
> >> >
> >> > Read the whole thread on my shrimpmobile and follow every suggestion.
> >> > It
> >> > won't remove the smell from your porti-potti, but, it will change it to
> >> > something you don't recognize. I'm thinking about volunteering to be a
> >> > designated driver at sleazy bars just to add the aroma of puked tequila
> >> > to
> >> > the mix. Can't be any worse than dead shrimp!
> >> >
> >> > Brad
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 9/18/06, 3drecon at comcast.net <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> That's true, about the head. There is a curtain between the pottie and
> >> >> the V berth, I think. There is a swing arm, perhaps for a curtain? My
> >> >> loaner is a 1989 and it has a stinky porta-potty. I think GBI took it
> >> >> in
> >> >> with the previous owner's DNA still in it. I haven't figured out how
> >> >> to
> >> >> clean it yet so I leave the cabin open as much as I can!
> >> >> In all fairness to Stan, he offered to install a real head if I had
> >> >> the time to stay in Edenton, but I didn't, so. . . since it is a
> >> >> loaner.
> >> >>
> >> >> Philip
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> From: Tootle
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Erly:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Here is a way to get some specific towing information:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html#T
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And another way:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://search.ask.com/web?q=towing+site%3Arhodes22.org+&qsrc=1&o=0&l=dir
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Please note that the above method of searching past discussions of a
> >> >> topic
> >> >> > on this forum works for other topics.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Some additional comments: Captain Rummy is an easy drive and can
> >> >> > show you the limits of an older model Rhodes 22 ('88). He does not
> >> >> > come
> >> >> > free. You need to lubricate the session with a bottle of Mt. Gay
> >> >> > rum.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As to tow vehicles go to Mary Lou's post
> >> >> > (
> >> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2006-September/034114.html
> >> >> )
> >> >> > and read how far will you tow? 50 miles is one thing and 500 is
> >> >> > quite
> >> >> > another. I started towing with a short bed van with V 8 engine,
> >> >> > because
> >> >> I
> >> >> > had one. Others tow with a 6 and a few even with a 4.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Keep in mind older Rhodes 22's did not come with the enclosed
> >> >> > head, that is a recent innovation and modification.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Again, welcome to the Rhodes List.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ed K
> >> >> > Greenville, SC, USA
> >> >> > http://familyoutdoors.com/pages/bigwater.htm
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ed K
> >> >> > Greenville, SC, USA
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Erly,
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Hold your horses! Rik, you listening? We have an expert trucking
> >> >> company
> >> >> > > executive on the list who pulled a R-22 with an S10 Chevy pickup.
> >> >> Don't
> >> >> > > get
> >> >> > > into to big a hurry to upgrade.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Brad
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > On 9/17/06, Erly Garner wrote:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> My auto manual says absolutely 3500 lb. tow limit....Doesn't
> >> >> > >> sound
> >> >> too
> >> >> > >> good.
> >> >> > >> Maybe it's time I thought about getting a new car.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Erly
> >> >> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > >> From: "Mary Lou Troy"
> >> >> > >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >> >> > >> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:47 PM
> >> >> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> > Erly, What's the van rated for? Our Chev Blazer is rated to tow
> >> >> 5,000
> >> >> > >> > lbs. It does ok hauling the Rhodes but we only tow it a couple
> >> >> > >> > of
> >> >> times
> >> >> > >> a
> >> >> > >> > year. It we were to tow long distances more often and if we had
> >> >> > >> > a
> >> >> lot
> >> >> > >> of
> >> >> > >> > hills we might look for something a little beefier. The Rhodes
> >> >> > >> > does
> >> >> tow
> >> >> > >> > well but it's fairly heavy for its size (all those amenities
> >> >> > >> > weigh
> >> >> > >> > something). Because of the 9 stays it takes a bit longer to set
> >> >> > >> > up
> >> >> than
> >> >> > >> a
> >> >> > >> > boat with fewer. On the plus side is the IMF which allows you
> >> >> > >> > to
> >> >> raise
> >> >> > >> > mast, sails and boom all at once. Of course that bundle is
> >> >> > >> > heavier
> >> >> than
> >> >> > >> > the individual pieces so a mast raising system like the once GB
> >> >> sells
> >> >> > >> > comes in very handy.
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Best,
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Mary Lou
> >> >> > >> > 1991 R22 Fretless
> >> >> > >> > Swan Creek (Rock Hall, MD)
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > At 08:31 PM 9/17/2006, you wrote:
> >> >> > >> >>I'm probably about 5 hrs or so from Edenton and am planning a
> >> >> > >> >>trip
> >> >> for
> >> >> > >> a
> >> >> > >> >>check-out sail. I haven't heard any comments about towing with
> >> >> > >> >>my
> >> >> > >> Toyota.
> >> >> > >> >>I assume most are towed with an suv or resonably sized truck.
> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> > >> >>Erly
> >> >> > >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip"
> >> >> > >> >><3drecon at comcast.net>
> >> >> > >> >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >> >> > >> >>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:17 PM
> >> >> > >> >>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> > >> >>>See, I said there is a negative for every positive and visa
> >> >> > >> >>>versa
> >> >> > >> (i.e.
> >> >> > >> >>>the
> >> >> > >> >>>boring list).
> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> > >> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >> >> > >> >>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> >> > >> >>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Brad
> >> >> Haslett
> >> >> > >> >>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:05 PM
> >> >> > >> >>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> >> > >> >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> > >> >>>Philip,
> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> > >> >>>No, S2 (Tiara) is another great choice. They made a 22' foot
> >> >> > >> >>>boat
> >> >> > >> that
> >> >> > >> >>>kicked ass on the racing circuit. Their gelcoat quality is
> >> >> legendary.
> >> >> > >> The
> >> >> > >> >>>9.2 S2 center cockpit (my boat) gives the most room of any 30
> >> >> footer
> >> >> > >> ever
> >> >> > >> >>>built at the expense of being ugly. Leon Slicker, (S2 builder)
> >> >> > >> >>>is
> >> >> a
> >> >> > >> >>>'Stanish" kind of guy but on a larger scale (boat numbers
> >> >> > >> >>>wise).
> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> > >> >>>But....they have the dullest e-mail list in the history of
> >> >> sailboats.
> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> > >> >>>'Bigger is better' is only a state of mind. There are so many
> >> >> > >> >>>days
> >> >> > >> that
> >> >> > >> >>>I
> >> >> > >> >>>long for the smaller boat. If you want a 22 footer, the search
> >> >> > >> >>>is
> >> >> > >> over.
> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> > >> >>>Brad
> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> > >> >>>On 9/17/06, Philip <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>One of the negatives is, it would be nice if it were 26 feet,
> >> >> > >> >>>>but
> >> >> > >> then
> >> >> > >> >>>>it
> >> >> > >> >>>>wouldn't be as easily "trailerable". It would be nice if the
> >> >> company
> >> >> > >> >>>>were
> >> >> > >> >>>a
> >> >> > >> >>>>great world wide corporation, but then you wouldn't get the
> >> >> personal
> >> >> > >> >>>>attention from the owner (Stan). I can't think of anymore
> >> >> negatives.
> >> >> > >> >>>>But
> >> >> > >> >>>>with each negative, there is a positive. This is one
> >> >> > >> >>>>outstanding
> >> >> > >> boat.
> >> >> > >> >>>The
> >> >> > >> >>>>only reason to buy something else is size.
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>Philip
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >> >> > >> >>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> >> >> > >> >>>> >> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Erly
> >> >> > >> >>>> >> Garner
> >> >> > >> >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:40 PM
> >> >> > >> >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> >> > >> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>Ed K
> >> >> > >> >>>>I'm located close to Hickory, NC. Presently, I'm sold on the
> >> >> Rhodes
> >> >> > >> but
> >> >> > >> >>>>want to be informed of both sides of the coin before making
> >> >> > >> >>>>an
> >> >> > >> >>>>investment.
> >> >> > >> >>>>I'm relatively certain that my present vehicle can't tow a
> >> >> > >> >>>>Rhodes
> >> >> (93
> >> >> > >> >>>>Toyota
> >> >> > >> >>>>Previa Van) but have reserved hopes. There are bound to be
> >> >> > >> >>>>some
> >> >> > >> >>>>negative
> >> >> > >> >>>>sides to a Rhodes, I just can't seem to find any.
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>Erly
> >> >> > >> >>>>----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > >> >>>>From: "Tootle"
> >> >> > >> >>>>To:
> >> >> > >> >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:45 PM
> >> >> > >> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>Erly:
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>> You came to the wrong house to find con's to Rhodes 22. When
> >> >> > >> >>>>comparing with the Com-Pac line you have to go to the CP 25
> >> >> > >> >>>>to
> >> >> > >> >>>>compare. And
> >> >> > >> >>>>then you do not have the type trailerability of the Rhodes
> >> >> > >> >>>>22. As
> >> >> > >> the
> >> >> > >> >>>>owner
> >> >> > >> >>>>of Com Pac told me, yes you can trail a 25, at the beginning
> >> >> > >> >>>>of
> >> >> the
> >> >> > >> >>>>season
> >> >> > >> >>>>and at the end of the season.
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>> If you want to trail without a big truck there just is not
> >> >> > >> >>>> currently
> >> >> > >> >>>>another design that works like the Rhodes 22, tis fact.
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>> One person can rig, launch, retrieve and unrig a Rhodes 22,
> >> >> > >> >>>> it
> >> >> > >> is
> >> >> > >> >>>>done all the time by members of this list.
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>> Where are you located? Have you seen a Rhodes 22? Look at
> >> >> > >> this
> >> >> > >> >>>> web
> >> >> > >> >>>>site:
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>http://www.frappr.com/rhodes22
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>Ed K
> >> >> > >> >>>>Greenville, SC, USA
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>Erly Garner wrote:
> >> >> > >> >>>> >
> >> >> > >> >>>> > Hi:
> >> >> > >> >>>> >
> >> >> > >> >>>> > I've done limited sailing with my brother on his Compac
> >> >> > >> >>>> > 19.
> >> >> I'm
> >> >> > >> just
> >> >> > >> >>>>now
> >> >> > >> >>>> > getting serious about getting my own boat and my research
> >> >> > >> >>>> indicates > that
> >> >> > >> >>>> > the Rhodes 22 seems to be a real dream boat. I've got to
> >> >> > >> >>>> > have
> >> >> > >> >>>> an > easily
> >> >> > >> >>>> > trailerable craft (definite MUST), mostly plan on lake
> >> >> sailing,
> >> >> > >> >>>>girlfriend
> >> >> > >> >>>> > insists on enclosed head, a few lake side overnights on
> >> >> weekends,
> >> >> > >> and
> >> >> > >> >>>>want
> >> >> > >> >>>> > to do limited salt water upon retiring. Big brother say
> >> >> > >> >>>> > there
> >> >> is
> >> >> > >> no
> >> >> > >> >>>>other
> >> >> > >> >>>> > boat but the Compac. What are the down sides and
> >> >> > >> >>>> > disadvantages
> >> >> of
> >> >> > >> a
> >> >> > >> >>>> > Rhodes? How trailerable is it (smallest vehicle to pull)?
> >> >> > >> >>>> >
> >> >> > >> >>>> > Thanks,
> >> >> > >> >>>> > Erly
> >> >> > >> >>>> > __________________________________________________
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> >> >> > >> >>>> >
> >> >> > >> >>>>
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