[Rhodes22-list] boating and dealing with human excrement..was:Erly and towing the Rhodes 22

Saroj Gilbert saroj at pathfind.net
Tue Sep 19 11:11:03 EDT 2006 

right... I don't think it is at all practical on a Rhodes... for one thing 
you need room for the composting part plus they typically use heat and 
moisture to facilitate the composting process.

Saroj
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <3drecon at comcast.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boating and dealing with human 
excrement..was:Erly and towing the Rhodes 22


> Saroj,
>
> Come to think of it, I may have seen the composting toilets in a sailing 
> magazine, maybe Cruising World.  They discussed taking the composting out 
> at the end of the season and just leaving it outside or in the shed until 
> spring.  Dump it in the garden and back into the boat it goes.  Sounded 
> pretty good.  I would be worried about capacity and CW usually deals with 
> larger boats (e.g. larger heads).
>
> Philip
>
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: "Saroj Gilbert" <saroj at pathfind.net>
>
>> Thanks, Philip... I will certainly do that research when (and IF) I have 
>> the
>> need... Although it sounds pretty gross to dump urine over the side,
>> realistically, what body of water that allows swimming doesn't have this
>> happen on a regular basis... to say nothing of the numerous other animals
>> that regularly introduce various bodily fluids into it.... I'm also not
>> crazy about the use of plastic bags to deal with the "harder" stuff, but
>> given the circumstances, I don't have a better alternative. At least with 
>> a
>> composting toilet, the "processing" is local.
>>
>> Saroj
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <3drecon at comcast.net>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boating and dealing with human excrement..
>> was:Erly and towing the Rhodes 22
>>
>>
>> > Saroj,
>> > Thanks. I had not cleaned one of these before. I will follow your
>> > directions and hopefully have a happy outcome. I am not unused to
>> > cleaning this type of thing. A stint in the USMC and years in the Army 
>> > is
>> > good training for it and though I have achieved a rank where you 
>> > wouldn't
>> > expect me to do that, believe it or not, rank has very few privilages
>> > these days.
>> > Stan actually told me to throw it out if I didn't want to fool with
>> > it, but I hate throwing away things that are not broken. I'll have to 
>> > see
>> > how ambitious I am this week-end.
>> > When I was researching boats, I found composting toilets on-line for
>> > marine applications. I don't remember where I saw them but you can do a
>> > search or if I run across it again I'll post it.
>> >
>> > Philip
>> >
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
>> > From: "Saroj Gilbert"
>> >
>> >> Philip... why don't you just take out the portapotty (very 
>> >> carefully!),..
>> >> place
>> >> it in a large contractors heavy guage plastic bag, seal it well and 
>> >> then
>> >> replace
>> >> it when you return the boat to Stan. Or better still ask Stan if you 
>> >> can
>> >> simply
>> >> throw it out... I can't believe he would want it back to have to be
>> >> cleaned
>> >> before passing it onto someone else! Cleaning a porta potty... 
>> >> especially
>> >> someone else's is one of the most disgusting tasks I can think of.
>> >>
>> >> However if you are set on cleaning it, here's how:
>> >> a.. put on a gas mask
>> >> b.. remove it from its clamps
>> >> c.. set the bar so the waste compartment is sealed
>> >> d.. separate the top (that holds the fresh water for flushing) from 
>> >> the
>> >> bottom
>> >> (the waste tank)
>> >> e.. empty the waste tank down a toilet or dumping station
>> >> f.. pour bleach and water into the waste tank and brush it out same as
>> >> you
>> >> would clean a household toilet
>> >> g.. empty, rinse, empty rinse, redo the bleach/water routine, empty,
>> >> rinse,
>> >> empty rinse a few more times
>> >> h.. spray the top part with Clorox cleanup or some equivalent and hose 
>> >> it
>> >> down
>> >> a few times...
>> >> Then put the whole thing back together; put it in a heavy bag per 
>> >> above,
>> >> store
>> >> it until you return the boat to Stan. :o)
>> >>
>> >> Then, if you are feeling especially generous, reinstall it as it 
>> >> was...
>> >>
>> >> I frankly can't deal with porta potties... even if they are 
>> >> contaminated
>> >> only
>> >> with my DNA! In fact it is rare that I've been on a boat with a 
>> >> holding
>> >> tank
>> >> that didn't have a vestige of sewage odor in it somewhere... and,
>> >> frankly, if I
>> >> owned a boat with a holding tank, I wouldn't allow any paper to be put 
>> >> in
>> >> it
>> >> anyway... which means having a plastic bag in the head for the 
>> >> paper...
>> >> more
>> >> yuck... and more smell!
>> >>
>> >> I prefer a hand-held urinal and a 5-gallon bucket with a toilet seat 
>> >> and
>> >> plastic
>> >> bag... nothing to clean other than the toilet seat from time to time.. 
>> >> a
>> >> quick
>> >> wipe! The urinal gets dumped over the side and rinsed...
>> >>
>> >> A well-designed composting toilet is the only thing that makes sense 
>> >> to
>> >> me on a
>> >> boat (other than hanging one's rear-end over the side), but I've never
>> >> heard of
>> >> one being made for marine usage.
>> >>
>> >> Saroj
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Brad Haslett"
>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>> >> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:00 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Erly and towing the Rhodes 22
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Philip,
>> >> >
>> >> > Read the whole thread on my shrimpmobile and follow every 
>> >> > suggestion.
>> >> > It
>> >> > won't remove the smell from your porti-potti, but, it will change it 
>> >> > to
>> >> > something you don't recognize. I'm thinking about volunteering to be 
>> >> > a
>> >> > designated driver at sleazy bars just to add the aroma of puked 
>> >> > tequila
>> >> > to
>> >> > the mix. Can't be any worse than dead shrimp!
>> >> >
>> >> > Brad
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 9/18/06, 3drecon at comcast.net <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That's true, about the head. There is a curtain between the pottie 
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> the V berth, I think. There is a swing arm, perhaps for a curtain? 
>> >> >> My
>> >> >> loaner is a 1989 and it has a stinky porta-potty. I think GBI took 
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> with the previous owner's DNA still in it. I haven't figured out 
>> >> >> how
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> clean it yet so I leave the cabin open as much as I can!
>> >> >> In all fairness to Stan, he offered to install a real head if I had
>> >> >> the time to stay in Edenton, but I didn't, so. . . since it is a
>> >> >> loaner.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Philip
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- 
>> >> >> From: Tootle
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Erly:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Here is a way to get some specific towing information:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html#T
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > And another way:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://search.ask.com/web?q=towing+site%3Arhodes22.org+&qsrc=1&o=0&l=dir
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Please note that the above method of searching past discussions 
>> >> >> > of a
>> >> >> topic
>> >> >> > on this forum works for other topics.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Some additional comments: Captain Rummy is an easy drive and can
>> >> >> > show you the limits of an older model Rhodes 22 ('88). He does 
>> >> >> > not
>> >> >> > come
>> >> >> > free. You need to lubricate the session with a bottle of Mt. Gay
>> >> >> > rum.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > As to tow vehicles go to Mary Lou's post
>> >> >> > (
>> >> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2006-September/034114.html
>> >> >> )
>> >> >> > and read how far will you tow? 50 miles is one thing and 500 is
>> >> >> > quite
>> >> >> > another. I started towing with a short bed van with V 8 engine,
>> >> >> > because
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> > had one. Others tow with a 6 and a few even with a 4.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Keep in mind older Rhodes 22's did not come with the enclosed
>> >> >> > head, that is a recent innovation and modification.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Again, welcome to the Rhodes List.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Ed K
>> >> >> > Greenville, SC, USA
>> >> >> > http://familyoutdoors.com/pages/bigwater.htm
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Ed K
>> >> >> > Greenville, SC, USA
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Erly,
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Hold your horses! Rik, you listening? We have an expert 
>> >> >> > > trucking
>> >> >> company
>> >> >> > > executive on the list who pulled a R-22 with an S10 Chevy 
>> >> >> > > pickup.
>> >> >> Don't
>> >> >> > > get
>> >> >> > > into to big a hurry to upgrade.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Brad
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > On 9/17/06, Erly Garner wrote:
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> My auto manual says absolutely 3500 lb. tow limit....Doesn't
>> >> >> > >> sound
>> >> >> too
>> >> >> > >> good.
>> >> >> > >> Maybe it's time I thought about getting a new car.
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Erly
>> >> >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> >> > >> From: "Mary Lou Troy"
>> >> >> > >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>> >> >> > >> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:47 PM
>> >> >> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> > Erly, What's the van rated for? Our Chev Blazer is rated to 
>> >> >> > >> > tow
>> >> >> 5,000
>> >> >> > >> > lbs. It does ok hauling the Rhodes but we only tow it a 
>> >> >> > >> > couple
>> >> >> > >> > of
>> >> >> times
>> >> >> > >> a
>> >> >> > >> > year. It we were to tow long distances more often and if we 
>> >> >> > >> > had
>> >> >> > >> > a
>> >> >> lot
>> >> >> > >> of
>> >> >> > >> > hills we might look for something a little beefier. The 
>> >> >> > >> > Rhodes
>> >> >> > >> > does
>> >> >> tow
>> >> >> > >> > well but it's fairly heavy for its size (all those amenities
>> >> >> > >> > weigh
>> >> >> > >> > something). Because of the 9 stays it takes a bit longer to 
>> >> >> > >> > set
>> >> >> > >> > up
>> >> >> than
>> >> >> > >> a
>> >> >> > >> > boat with fewer. On the plus side is the IMF which allows 
>> >> >> > >> > you
>> >> >> > >> > to
>> >> >> raise
>> >> >> > >> > mast, sails and boom all at once. Of course that bundle is
>> >> >> > >> > heavier
>> >> >> than
>> >> >> > >> > the individual pieces so a mast raising system like the once 
>> >> >> > >> > GB
>> >> >> sells
>> >> >> > >> > comes in very handy.
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Best,
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Mary Lou
>> >> >> > >> > 1991 R22 Fretless
>> >> >> > >> > Swan Creek (Rock Hall, MD)
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > At 08:31 PM 9/17/2006, you wrote:
>> >> >> > >> >>I'm probably about 5 hrs or so from Edenton and am planning 
>> >> >> > >> >>a
>> >> >> > >> >>trip
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> > >> a
>> >> >> > >> >>check-out sail. I haven't heard any comments about towing 
>> >> >> > >> >>with
>> >> >> > >> >>my
>> >> >> > >> Toyota.
>> >> >> > >> >>I assume most are towed with an suv or resonably sized 
>> >> >> > >> >>truck.
>> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >>Erly
>> >> >> > >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip"
>> >> >> > >> >><3drecon at comcast.net>
>> >> >> > >> >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>> >> >> > >> >>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:17 PM
>> >> >> > >> >>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >>>See, I said there is a negative for every positive and visa
>> >> >> > >> >>>versa
>> >> >> > >> (i.e.
>> >> >> > >> >>>the
>> >> >> > >> >>>boring list).
>> >> >> > >> >>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>-----Original Message----- 
>> >> >> > >> >>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> >> >> > >> >>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of 
>> >> >> > >> >>>Brad
>> >> >> Haslett
>> >> >> > >> >>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:05 PM
>> >> >> > >> >>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> >> >> > >> >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>> >> >> > >> >>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>Philip,
>> >> >> > >> >>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>No, S2 (Tiara) is another great choice. They made a 22' 
>> >> >> > >> >>>foot
>> >> >> > >> >>>boat
>> >> >> > >> that
>> >> >> > >> >>>kicked ass on the racing circuit. Their gelcoat quality is
>> >> >> legendary.
>> >> >> > >> The
>> >> >> > >> >>>9.2 S2 center cockpit (my boat) gives the most room of any 
>> >> >> > >> >>>30
>> >> >> footer
>> >> >> > >> ever
>> >> >> > >> >>>built at the expense of being ugly. Leon Slicker, (S2 
>> >> >> > >> >>>builder)
>> >> >> > >> >>>is
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> > >> >>>'Stanish" kind of guy but on a larger scale (boat numbers
>> >> >> > >> >>>wise).
>> >> >> > >> >>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>But....they have the dullest e-mail list in the history of
>> >> >> sailboats.
>> >> >> > >> >>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>'Bigger is better' is only a state of mind. There are so 
>> >> >> > >> >>>many
>> >> >> > >> >>>days
>> >> >> > >> that
>> >> >> > >> >>>I
>> >> >> > >> >>>long for the smaller boat. If you want a 22 footer, the 
>> >> >> > >> >>>search
>> >> >> > >> >>>is
>> >> >> > >> over.
>> >> >> > >> >>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>Brad
>> >> >> > >> >>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>On 9/17/06, Philip <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>>One of the negatives is, it would be nice if it were 26 
>> >> >> > >> >>>>feet,
>> >> >> > >> >>>>but
>> >> >> > >> then
>> >> >> > >> >>>>it
>> >> >> > >> >>>>wouldn't be as easily "trailerable". It would be nice if 
>> >> >> > >> >>>>the
>> >> >> company
>> >> >> > >> >>>>were
>> >> >> > >> >>>a
>> >> >> > >> >>>>great world wide corporation, but then you wouldn't get 
>> >> >> > >> >>>>the
>> >> >> personal
>> >> >> > >> >>>>attention from the owner (Stan). I can't think of anymore
>> >> >> negatives.
>> >> >> > >> >>>>But
>> >> >> > >> >>>>with each negative, there is a positive. This is one
>> >> >> > >> >>>>outstanding
>> >> >> > >> boat.
>> >> >> > >> >>>The
>> >> >> > >> >>>>only reason to buy something else is size.
>> >> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>>Philip
>> >> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>>-----Original Message----- 
>> >> >> > >> >>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>> >> >> > >> >>>> >> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Erly
>> >> >> > >> >>>> >> Garner
>> >> >> > >> >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:40 PM
>> >> >> > >> >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> >> >> > >> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>> >> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>>Ed K
>> >> >> > >> >>>>I'm located close to Hickory, NC. Presently, I'm sold on 
>> >> >> > >> >>>>the
>> >> >> Rhodes
>> >> >> > >> but
>> >> >> > >> >>>>want to be informed of both sides of the coin before 
>> >> >> > >> >>>>making
>> >> >> > >> >>>>an
>> >> >> > >> >>>>investment.
>> >> >> > >> >>>>I'm relatively certain that my present vehicle can't tow a
>> >> >> > >> >>>>Rhodes
>> >> >> (93
>> >> >> > >> >>>>Toyota
>> >> >> > >> >>>>Previa Van) but have reserved hopes. There are bound to be
>> >> >> > >> >>>>some
>> >> >> > >> >>>>negative
>> >> >> > >> >>>>sides to a Rhodes, I just can't seem to find any.
>> >> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>>Erly
>> >> >> > >> >>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> >> > >> >>>>From: "Tootle"
>> >> >> > >> >>>>To:
>> >> >> > >> >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:45 PM
>> >> >> > >> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>> >> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>>Erly:
>> >> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>> You came to the wrong house to find con's to Rhodes 22. 
>> >> >> > >> >>>> When
>> >> >> > >> >>>>comparing with the Com-Pac line you have to go to the CP 
>> >> >> > >> >>>>25
>> >> >> > >> >>>>to
>> >> >> > >> >>>>compare. And
>> >> >> > >> >>>>then you do not have the type trailerability of the Rhodes
>> >> >> > >> >>>>22. As
>> >> >> > >> the
>> >> >> > >> >>>>owner
>> >> >> > >> >>>>of Com Pac told me, yes you can trail a 25, at the 
>> >> >> > >> >>>>beginning
>> >> >> > >> >>>>of
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > >> >>>>season
>> >> >> > >> >>>>and at the end of the season.
>> >> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>> If you want to trail without a big truck there just is 
>> >> >> > >> >>>> not
>> >> >> > >> >>>> currently
>> >> >> > >> >>>>another design that works like the Rhodes 22, tis fact.
>> >> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>> One person can rig, launch, retrieve and unrig a Rhodes 
>> >> >> > >> >>>> 22,
>> >> >> > >> >>>> it
>> >> >> > >> is
>> >> >> > >> >>>>done all the time by members of this list.
>> >> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>> Where are you located? Have you seen a Rhodes 22? Look at
>> >> >> > >> this
>> >> >> > >> >>>> web
>> >> >> > >> >>>>site:
>> >> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>>http://www.frappr.com/rhodes22
>> >> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>>Ed K
>> >> >> > >> >>>>Greenville, SC, USA
>> >> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >> > >> >>>>Erly Garner wrote:
>> >> >> > >> >>>> >
>> >> >> > >> >>>> > Hi:
>> >> >> > >> >>>> >
>> >> >> > >> >>>> > I've done limited sailing with my brother on his Compac
>> >> >> > >> >>>> > 19.
>> >> >> I'm
>> >> >> > >> just
>> >> >> > >> >>>>now
>> >> >> > >> >>>> > getting serious about getting my own boat and my 
>> >> >> > >> >>>> > research
>> >> >> > >> >>>> indicates > that
>> >> >> > >> >>>> > the Rhodes 22 seems to be a real dream boat. I've got 
>> >> >> > >> >>>> > to
>> >> >> > >> >>>> > have
>> >> >> > >> >>>> an > easily
>> >> >> > >> >>>> > trailerable craft (definite MUST), mostly plan on lake
>> >> >> sailing,
>> >> >> > >> >>>>girlfriend
>> >> >> > >> >>>> > insists on enclosed head, a few lake side overnights on
>> >> >> weekends,
>> >> >> > >> and
>> >> >> > >> >>>>want
>> >> >> > >> >>>> > to do limited salt water upon retiring. Big brother say
>> >> >> > >> >>>> > there
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> > >> no
>> >> >> > >> >>>>other
>> >> >> > >> >>>> > boat but the Compac. What are the down sides and
>> >> >> > >> >>>> > disadvantages
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> > >> a
>> >> >> > >> >>>> > Rhodes? How trailerable is it (smallest vehicle to 
>> >> >> > >> >>>> > pull)?
>> >> >> > >> >>>> >
>> >> >> > >> >>>> > Thanks,
>> >> >> > >> >>>> > Erly
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