[Rhodes22-list] boating and dealing with human excrement.. was:
Erly and towing the Rhodes 22
3drecon at comcast.net
3drecon at comcast.net
Tue Sep 19 18:40:37 EDT 2006
That sounds like a good idea. When I pull out the thing to clean it, I'll see if it is possible.
Philip
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From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
> Philip,
>
> The Citation Jet I flew a gazillion years ago had a small head in the back.
> It was nothing more than a container with a seat that held a plastic
> bag(with some deodorant). At the end of the flight, you tied the bag up,
> threw the bad stuff away, and replaced the bag. Why couldn't you modify
> your existing loo to accomplish the same thing?
>
> Brad
>
>
> On 9/19/06, mtroy at atlanticbb.net wrote:
> >
> > Philip, not much time for a complete answer but wanted to
> > chime in as we chose a boat with a porta-potti over a boat
> > will a marine head and holding tank. (simpler, not much to
> > go wrong). I think Saroj's instructions for cleaning are
> > fine for your head which has been left on the boat in
> > um...less than optimum condition. I was actually going to
> > suggest it might be easier to just get a new one.
> >
> > If it does clean up ok, we use a much simpler routine
> > after every trip on the boat. We use a tank deoderant
> > (Oderlos - although the blue stuff also works)if we are
> > going to be using the head. Once we get back to the dock,
> > we take the porta-potti home, empty it down the toilet,
> > and clean it with hot water. If we've been out for several
> > days, I may clean it with hot water and a disinfectant. I
> > don't use bleach as I suspect that over time it will
> > degrade the seals and gaskets. We also store it with the
> > caps off so it dries thoroughly. We've done this for the
> > nearly 20 years we've owned trailerable boats and rarely
> > had odors in the head.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> > Mary Lou
> > 1991 R22 Fretless
> > Swan Creek (Rock Hall, MD)
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:49:34 +0000
> > 3drecon at comcast.net wrote:
> > > Saroj,
> > > Thanks. I had not cleaned one of these before. I
> > >will follow your directions and hopefully have a happy
> > >outcome. I am not unused to cleaning this type of thing.
> > > A stint in the USMC and years in the Army is good
> > >training for it and though I have achieved a rank where
> > >you wouldn't expect me to do that, believe it or not,
> > >rank has very few privilages these days.
> > > Stan actually told me to throw it out if I didn't
> > >want to fool with it, but I hate throwing away things
> > >that are not broken. I'll have to see how ambitious I am
> > >this week-end.
> > > When I was researching boats, I found composting
> > >toilets on-line for marine applications. I don't
> > >remember where I saw them but you can do a search or if I
> > >run across it again I'll post it.
> > >
> > > Philip
> > >
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >From: "Saroj Gilbert"
> > >
> > >> Philip... why don't you just take out the portapotty
> > >>(very carefully!),.. place
> > >> it in a large contractors heavy guage plastic bag, seal
> > >>it well and then replace
> > >> it when you return the boat to Stan. Or better still ask
> > >>Stan if you can simply
> > >> throw it out... I can't believe he would want it back to
> > >>have to be cleaned
> > >> before passing it onto someone else! Cleaning a porta
> > >>potty... especially
> > >> someone else's is one of the most disgusting tasks I can
> > >>think of.
> > >>
> > >> However if you are set on cleaning it, here's how:
> > >> a.. put on a gas mask
> > >> b.. remove it from its clamps
> > >> c.. set the bar so the waste compartment is sealed
> > >> d.. separate the top (that holds the fresh water for
> > >>flushing) from the bottom
> > >> (the waste tank)
> > >> e.. empty the waste tank down a toilet or dumping
> > >>station
> > >> f.. pour bleach and water into the waste tank and brush
> > >>it out same as you
> > >> would clean a household toilet
> > >> g.. empty, rinse, empty rinse, redo the bleach/water
> > >>routine, empty, rinse,
> > >> empty rinse a few more times
> > >> h.. spray the top part with Clorox cleanup or some
> > >>equivalent and hose it down
> > >> a few times...
> > >> Then put the whole thing back together; put it in a
> > >>heavy bag per above, store
> > >> it until you return the boat to Stan. :o)
> > >>
> > >> Then, if you are feeling especially generous, reinstall
> > >>it as it was...
> > >>
> > >> I frankly can't deal with porta potties... even if they
> > >>are contaminated only
> > >> with my DNA! In fact it is rare that I've been on a boat
> > >>with a holding tank
> > >> that didn't have a vestige of sewage odor in it
> > >>somewhere... and, frankly, if I
> > >> owned a boat with a holding tank, I wouldn't allow any
> > >>paper to be put in it
> > >> anyway... which means having a plastic bag in the head
> > >>for the paper... more
> > >> yuck... and more smell!
> > >>
> > >> I prefer a hand-held urinal and a 5-gallon bucket with a
> > >>toilet seat and plastic
> > >> bag... nothing to clean other than the toilet seat from
> > >>time to time.. a quick
> > >> wipe! The urinal gets dumped over the side and rinsed...
> > >>
> > >> A well-designed composting toilet is the only thing that
> > >>makes sense to me on a
> > >> boat (other than hanging one's rear-end over the side),
> > >>but I've never heard of
> > >> one being made for marine usage.
> > >>
> > >> Saroj
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Brad Haslett"
> > >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> > >> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:00 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Erly and towing the Rhodes
> > >>22
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Philip,
> > >> >
> > >> > Read the whole thread on my shrimpmobile and follow
> > >>every suggestion. It
> > >> > won't remove the smell from your porti-potti, but, it
> > >>will change it to
> > >> > something you don't recognize. I'm thinking about
> > >>volunteering to be a
> > >> > designated driver at sleazy bars just to add the aroma
> > >>of puked tequila to
> > >> > the mix. Can't be any worse than dead shrimp!
> > >> >
> > >> > Brad
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On 9/18/06, 3drecon at comcast.net <3drecon at comcast.net>
> > >>wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> That's true, about the head. There is a curtain
> > >>between the pottie and
> > >> >> the V berth, I think. There is a swing arm, perhaps
> > >>for a curtain? My
> > >> >> loaner is a 1989 and it has a stinky porta-potty. I
> > >>think GBI took it in
> > >> >> with the previous owner's DNA still in it. I haven't
> > >>figured out how to
> > >> >> clean it yet so I leave the cabin open as much as I
> > >>can!
> > >> >> In all fairness to Stan, he offered to install a real
> > >>head if I had
> > >> >> the time to stay in Edenton, but I didn't, so. . .
> > >>since it is a loaner.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Philip
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >> From: Tootle
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Erly:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Here is a way to get some specific towing
> > >>information:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html#T
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > And another way:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >>http://search.ask.com/web?q=towing+site%3Arhodes22.org+&qsrc=1&o=0&l=dir
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Please note that the above method of searching past
> > >>discussions of a
> > >> >> topic
> > >> >> > on this forum works for other topics.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Some additional comments: Captain Rummy is an easy
> > >>drive and can
> > >> >> > show you the limits of an older model Rhodes 22
> > >>('88). He does not come
> > >> >> > free. You need to lubricate the session with a
> > >>bottle of Mt. Gay rum.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > As to tow vehicles go to Mary Lou's post
> > >> >> > (
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2006-September/034114.html
> > >> >> )
> > >> >> > and read how far will you tow? 50 miles is one
> > >>thing and 500 is quite
> > >> >> > another. I started towing with a short bed van with
> > >>V 8 engine, because
> > >> >> I
> > >> >> > had one. Others tow with a 6 and a few even with a
> > >>4.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Keep in mind older Rhodes 22's did not come with
> > >>the enclosed
> > >> >> > head, that is a recent innovation and modification.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Again, welcome to the Rhodes List.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Ed K
> > >> >> > Greenville, SC, USA
> > >> >> > http://familyoutdoors.com/pages/bigwater.htm
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Ed K
> > >> >> > Greenville, SC, USA
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > Erly,
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > Hold your horses! Rik, you listening? We have an
> > >>expert trucking
> > >> >> company
> > >> >> > > executive on the list who pulled a R-22 with an
> > >>S10 Chevy pickup.
> > >> >> Don't
> > >> >> > > get
> > >> >> > > into to big a hurry to upgrade.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > Brad
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > On 9/17/06, Erly Garner wrote:
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> > >> My auto manual says absolutely 3500 lb. tow
> > >>limit....Doesn't sound
> > >> >> too
> > >> >> > >> good.
> > >> >> > >> Maybe it's time I thought about getting a new
> > >>car.
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> > >> Erly
> > >> >> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> > >> From: "Mary Lou Troy"
> > >> >> > >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> > >> >> > >> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:47 PM
> > >> >> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> > >> > Erly, What's the van rated for? Our Chev
> > >>Blazer is rated to tow
> > >> >> 5,000
> > >> >> > >> > lbs. It does ok hauling the Rhodes but we only
> > >>tow it a couple of
> > >> >> times
> > >> >> > >> a
> > >> >> > >> > year. It we were to tow long distances more
> > >>often and if we had a
> > >> >> lot
> > >> >> > >> of
> > >> >> > >> > hills we might look for something a little
> > >>beefier. The Rhodes does
> > >> >> tow
> > >> >> > >> > well but it's fairly heavy for its size (all
> > >>those amenities weigh
> > >> >> > >> > something). Because of the 9 stays it takes a
> > >>bit longer to set up
> > >> >> than
> > >> >> > >> a
> > >> >> > >> > boat with fewer. On the plus side is the IMF
> > >>which allows you to
> > >> >> raise
> > >> >> > >> > mast, sails and boom all at once. Of course
> > >>that bundle is heavier
> > >> >> than
> > >> >> > >> > the individual pieces so a mast raising system
> > >>like the once GB
> > >> >> sells
> > >> >> > >> > comes in very handy.
> > >> >> > >> >
> > >> >> > >> > Best,
> > >> >> > >> >
> > >> >> > >> > Mary Lou
> > >> >> > >> > 1991 R22 Fretless
> > >> >> > >> > Swan Creek (Rock Hall, MD)
> > >> >> > >> >
> > >> >> > >> > At 08:31 PM 9/17/2006, you wrote:
> > >> >> > >> >>I'm probably about 5 hrs or so from Edenton
> > >>and am planning a trip
> > >> >> for
> > >> >> > >> a
> > >> >> > >> >>check-out sail. I haven't heard any comments
> > >>about towing with my
> > >> >> > >> Toyota.
> > >> >> > >> >>I assume most are towed with an suv or
> > >>resonably sized truck.
> > >> >> > >> >>
> > >> >> > >> >>Erly
> > >> >> > >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip"
> > >><3drecon at comcast.net>
> > >> >> > >> >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> > >> >> > >> >>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:17 PM
> > >> >> > >> >>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> > >> >> > >> >>
> > >> >> > >> >>
> > >> >> > >> >>>See, I said there is a negative for every
> > >>positive and visa versa
> > >> >> > >> (i.e.
> > >> >> > >> >>>the
> > >> >> > >> >>>boring list).
> > >> >> > >> >>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>-----Original Message-----
> > >> >> > >> >>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > >> >> > >> >>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]
> > >>On Behalf Of Brad
> > >> >> Haslett
> > >> >> > >> >>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:05 PM
> > >> >> > >> >>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > >> >> > >> >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes
> > >>22
> > >> >> > >> >>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>Philip,
> > >> >> > >> >>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>No, S2 (Tiara) is another great choice. They
> > >>made a 22' foot boat
> > >> >> > >> that
> > >> >> > >> >>>kicked ass on the racing circuit. Their
> > >>gelcoat quality is
> > >> >> legendary.
> > >> >> > >> The
> > >> >> > >> >>>9.2 S2 center cockpit (my boat) gives the
> > >>most room of any 30
> > >> >> footer
> > >> >> > >> ever
> > >> >> > >> >>>built at the expense of being ugly. Leon
> > >>Slicker, (S2 builder) is
> > >> >> a
> > >> >> > >> >>>'Stanish" kind of guy but on a larger scale
> > >>(boat numbers wise).
> > >> >> > >> >>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>But....they have the dullest e-mail list in
> > >>the history of
> > >> >> sailboats.
> > >> >> > >> >>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>'Bigger is better' is only a state of mind.
> > >>There are so many days
> > >> >> > >> that
> > >> >> > >> >>>I
> > >> >> > >> >>>long for the smaller boat. If you want a 22
> > >>footer, the search is
> > >> >> > >> over.
> > >> >> > >> >>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>Brad
> > >> >> > >> >>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>On 9/17/06, Philip <3drecon at comcast.net>
> > >>wrote:
> > >> >> > >> >>>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>>One of the negatives is, it would be nice if
> > >>it were 26 feet, but
> > >> >> > >> then
> > >> >> > >> >>>>it
> > >> >> > >> >>>>wouldn't be as easily "trailerable". It
> > >>would be nice if the
> > >> >> company
> > >> >> > >> >>>>were
> > >> >> > >> >>>a
> > >> >> > >> >>>>great world wide corporation, but then you
> > >>wouldn't get the
> > >> >> personal
> > >> >> > >> >>>>attention from the owner (Stan). I can't
> > >>think of anymore
> > >> >> negatives.
> > >> >> > >> >>>>But
> > >> >> > >> >>>>with each negative, there is a positive.
> > >>This is one outstanding
> > >> >> > >> boat.
> > >> >> > >> >>>The
> > >> >> > >> >>>>only reason to buy something else is size.
> > >> >> > >> >>>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>>Philip
> > >> >> > >> >>>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> > >> >> > >> >>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > >>[mailto:
> > >> >> > >> >>>> >> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
> > >>Behalf Of Erly Garner
> > >> >> > >> >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:40 PM
> > >> >> > >> >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > >> >> > >> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes
> > >>22
> > >> >> > >> >>>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>>Ed K
> > >> >> > >> >>>>I'm located close to Hickory, NC. Presently,
> > >>I'm sold on the
> > >> >> Rhodes
> > >> >> > >> but
> > >> >> > >> >>>>want to be informed of both sides of the
> > >>coin before making an
> > >> >> > >> >>>>investment.
> > >> >> > >> >>>>I'm relatively certain that my present
> > >>vehicle can't tow a Rhodes
> > >> >> (93
> > >> >> > >> >>>>Toyota
> > >> >> > >> >>>>Previa Van) but have reserved hopes. There
> > >>are bound to be some
> > >> >> > >> >>>>negative
> > >> >> > >> >>>>sides to a Rhodes, I just can't seem to find
> > >>any.
> > >> >> > >> >>>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>>Erly
> > >> >> > >> >>>>----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> > >> >>>>From: "Tootle"
> > >> >> > >> >>>>To:
> > >> >> > >> >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:45 PM
> > >> >> > >> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes
> > >>22
> > >> >> > >> >>>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>>Erly:
> > >> >> > >> >>>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>> You came to the wrong house to find con's
> > >>to Rhodes 22. When
> > >> >> > >> >>>>comparing with the Com-Pac line you have to
> > >>go to the CP 25 to
> > >> >> > >> >>>>compare. And
> > >> >> > >> >>>>then you do not have the type trailerability
> > >>of the Rhodes 22. As
> > >> >> > >> the
> > >> >> > >> >>>>owner
> > >> >> > >> >>>>of Com Pac told me, yes you can trail a 25,
> > >>at the beginning of
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> > >> >>>>season
> > >> >> > >> >>>>and at the end of the season.
> > >> >> > >> >>>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>> If you want to trail without a big truck
> > >>there just is not
> > >> >> > >> >>>> currently
> > >> >> > >> >>>>another design that works like the Rhodes
> > >>22, tis fact.
> > >> >> > >> >>>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>> One person can rig, launch, retrieve and
> > >>unrig a Rhodes 22, it
> > >> >> > >> is
> > >> >> > >> >>>>done all the time by members of this list.
> > >> >> > >> >>>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>> Where are you located? Have you seen a
> > >>Rhodes 22? Look at
> > >> >> > >> this
> > >> >> > >> >>>> web
> > >> >> > >> >>>>site:
> > >> >> > >> >>>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>>http://www.frappr.com/rhodes22
> > >> >> > >> >>>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>>Ed K
> > >> >> > >> >>>>Greenville, SC, USA
> > >> >> > >> >>>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>>
> > >> >> > >> >>>>Erly Garner wrote:
> > >> >> > >> >>>> >
> > >> >> > >> >>>> > Hi:
> > >> >> > >> >>>> >
> > >> >> > >> >>>> > I've done limited sailing with my brother
> > >>on his Compac 19.
> > >> >> I'm
> > >> >> > >> just
> > >> >> > >> >>>>now
> > >> >> > >> >>>> > getting serious about getting my own boat
> > >>and my research
> > >> >> > >> >>>> indicates > that
> > >> >> > >> >>>> > the Rhodes 22 seems to be a real dream
> > >>boat. I've got to have
> > >> >> > >> >>>> an > easily
> > >> >> > >> >>>> > trailerable craft (definite MUST), mostly
> > >>plan on lake
> > >> >> sailing,
> > >> >> > >> >>>>girlfriend
> > >> >> > >> >>>> > insists on enclosed head, a few lake side
> > >>overnights on
> > >> >> weekends,
> > >> >> > >> and
> > >> >> > >> >>>>want
> > >> >> > >> >>>> > to do limited salt water upon retiring.
> > >>Big brother say there
> > >> >> is
> > >> >> > >> no
> > >> >> > >> >>>>other
> > >> >> > >> >>>> > boat but the Compac. What are the down
> > >>sides and disadvantages
> > >> >> of
> > >> >> > >> a
> > >> >> > >> >>>> > Rhodes? How trailerable is it (smallest
> > >>vehicle to pull)?
> > >> >> > >> >>>> >
> > >> >> > >> >>>> > Thanks,
> > >> >> > >> >>>> > Erly
> > >> >> > >> >>>> >
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