[Rhodes22-list] boating and dealing with human excrement..
was: Erly and towing the Rhodes 22
3drecon at comcast.net
3drecon at comcast.net
Tue Sep 19 18:43:47 EDT 2006
Thank you. It sounds like the best way to handle porta-potties is keep them clean with plastic friendly detergents. I'll take it apart this week-end and see if it is salvageable.
Did you see the links I sent to earlier on compost toilets? Some are smaller than I thought.
Philip
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From: <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> Philip, not much time for a complete answer but wanted to
> chime in as we chose a boat with a porta-potti over a boat
> will a marine head and holding tank. (simpler, not much to
> go wrong). I think Saroj's instructions for cleaning are
> fine for your head which has been left on the boat in
> um...less than optimum condition. I was actually going to
> suggest it might be easier to just get a new one.
>
> If it does clean up ok, we use a much simpler routine
> after every trip on the boat. We use a tank deoderant
> (Oderlos - although the blue stuff also works)if we are
> going to be using the head. Once we get back to the dock,
> we take the porta-potti home, empty it down the toilet,
> and clean it with hot water. If we've been out for several
> days, I may clean it with hot water and a disinfectant. I
> don't use bleach as I suspect that over time it will
> degrade the seals and gaskets. We also store it with the
> caps off so it dries thoroughly. We've done this for the
> nearly 20 years we've owned trailerable boats and rarely
> had odors in the head.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Mary Lou
> 1991 R22 Fretless
> Swan Creek (Rock Hall, MD)
>
>
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:49:34 +0000
> 3drecon at comcast.net wrote:
> > Saroj,
> > Thanks. I had not cleaned one of these before. I
> >will follow your directions and hopefully have a happy
> >outcome. I am not unused to cleaning this type of thing.
> > A stint in the USMC and years in the Army is good
> >training for it and though I have achieved a rank where
> >you wouldn't expect me to do that, believe it or not,
> >rank has very few privilages these days.
> > Stan actually told me to throw it out if I didn't
> >want to fool with it, but I hate throwing away things
> >that are not broken. I'll have to see how ambitious I am
> >this week-end.
> > When I was researching boats, I found composting
> >toilets on-line for marine applications. I don't
> >remember where I saw them but you can do a search or if I
> >run across it again I'll post it.
> >
> > Philip
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >From: "Saroj Gilbert"
> >
> >> Philip... why don't you just take out the portapotty
> >>(very carefully!),.. place
> >> it in a large contractors heavy guage plastic bag, seal
> >>it well and then replace
> >> it when you return the boat to Stan. Or better still ask
> >>Stan if you can simply
> >> throw it out... I can't believe he would want it back to
> >>have to be cleaned
> >> before passing it onto someone else! Cleaning a porta
> >>potty... especially
> >> someone else's is one of the most disgusting tasks I can
> >>think of.
> >>
> >> However if you are set on cleaning it, here's how:
> >> a.. put on a gas mask
> >> b.. remove it from its clamps
> >> c.. set the bar so the waste compartment is sealed
> >> d.. separate the top (that holds the fresh water for
> >>flushing) from the bottom
> >> (the waste tank)
> >> e.. empty the waste tank down a toilet or dumping
> >>station
> >> f.. pour bleach and water into the waste tank and brush
> >>it out same as you
> >> would clean a household toilet
> >> g.. empty, rinse, empty rinse, redo the bleach/water
> >>routine, empty, rinse,
> >> empty rinse a few more times
> >> h.. spray the top part with Clorox cleanup or some
> >>equivalent and hose it down
> >> a few times...
> >> Then put the whole thing back together; put it in a
> >>heavy bag per above, store
> >> it until you return the boat to Stan. :o)
> >>
> >> Then, if you are feeling especially generous, reinstall
> >>it as it was...
> >>
> >> I frankly can't deal with porta potties... even if they
> >>are contaminated only
> >> with my DNA! In fact it is rare that I've been on a boat
> >>with a holding tank
> >> that didn't have a vestige of sewage odor in it
> >>somewhere... and, frankly, if I
> >> owned a boat with a holding tank, I wouldn't allow any
> >>paper to be put in it
> >> anyway... which means having a plastic bag in the head
> >>for the paper... more
> >> yuck... and more smell!
> >>
> >> I prefer a hand-held urinal and a 5-gallon bucket with a
> >>toilet seat and plastic
> >> bag... nothing to clean other than the toilet seat from
> >>time to time.. a quick
> >> wipe! The urinal gets dumped over the side and rinsed...
> >>
> >> A well-designed composting toilet is the only thing that
> >>makes sense to me on a
> >> boat (other than hanging one's rear-end over the side),
> >>but I've never heard of
> >> one being made for marine usage.
> >>
> >> Saroj
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Brad Haslett"
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:00 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Erly and towing the Rhodes
> >>22
> >>
> >>
> >> > Philip,
> >> >
> >> > Read the whole thread on my shrimpmobile and follow
> >>every suggestion. It
> >> > won't remove the smell from your porti-potti, but, it
> >>will change it to
> >> > something you don't recognize. I'm thinking about
> >>volunteering to be a
> >> > designated driver at sleazy bars just to add the aroma
> >>of puked tequila to
> >> > the mix. Can't be any worse than dead shrimp!
> >> >
> >> > Brad
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 9/18/06, 3drecon at comcast.net <3drecon at comcast.net>
> >>wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> That's true, about the head. There is a curtain
> >>between the pottie and
> >> >> the V berth, I think. There is a swing arm, perhaps
> >>for a curtain? My
> >> >> loaner is a 1989 and it has a stinky porta-potty. I
> >>think GBI took it in
> >> >> with the previous owner's DNA still in it. I haven't
> >>figured out how to
> >> >> clean it yet so I leave the cabin open as much as I
> >>can!
> >> >> In all fairness to Stan, he offered to install a real
> >>head if I had
> >> >> the time to stay in Edenton, but I didn't, so. . .
> >>since it is a loaner.
> >> >>
> >> >> Philip
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> From: Tootle
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Erly:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Here is a way to get some specific towing
> >>information:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html#T
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And another way:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >>http://search.ask.com/web?q=towing+site%3Arhodes22.org+&qsrc=1&o=0&l=dir
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Please note that the above method of searching past
> >>discussions of a
> >> >> topic
> >> >> > on this forum works for other topics.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Some additional comments: Captain Rummy is an easy
> >>drive and can
> >> >> > show you the limits of an older model Rhodes 22
> >>('88). He does not come
> >> >> > free. You need to lubricate the session with a
> >>bottle of Mt. Gay rum.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As to tow vehicles go to Mary Lou's post
> >> >> > (
> >> >>
> >>http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2006-September/034114.html
> >> >> )
> >> >> > and read how far will you tow? 50 miles is one
> >>thing and 500 is quite
> >> >> > another. I started towing with a short bed van with
> >>V 8 engine, because
> >> >> I
> >> >> > had one. Others tow with a 6 and a few even with a
> >>4.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Keep in mind older Rhodes 22's did not come with
> >>the enclosed
> >> >> > head, that is a recent innovation and modification.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Again, welcome to the Rhodes List.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ed K
> >> >> > Greenville, SC, USA
> >> >> > http://familyoutdoors.com/pages/bigwater.htm
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ed K
> >> >> > Greenville, SC, USA
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Erly,
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Hold your horses! Rik, you listening? We have an
> >>expert trucking
> >> >> company
> >> >> > > executive on the list who pulled a R-22 with an
> >>S10 Chevy pickup.
> >> >> Don't
> >> >> > > get
> >> >> > > into to big a hurry to upgrade.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Brad
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > On 9/17/06, Erly Garner wrote:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> My auto manual says absolutely 3500 lb. tow
> >>limit....Doesn't sound
> >> >> too
> >> >> > >> good.
> >> >> > >> Maybe it's time I thought about getting a new
> >>car.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Erly
> >> >> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > >> From: "Mary Lou Troy"
> >> >> > >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >> >> > >> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:47 PM
> >> >> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> > Erly, What's the van rated for? Our Chev
> >>Blazer is rated to tow
> >> >> 5,000
> >> >> > >> > lbs. It does ok hauling the Rhodes but we only
> >>tow it a couple of
> >> >> times
> >> >> > >> a
> >> >> > >> > year. It we were to tow long distances more
> >>often and if we had a
> >> >> lot
> >> >> > >> of
> >> >> > >> > hills we might look for something a little
> >>beefier. The Rhodes does
> >> >> tow
> >> >> > >> > well but it's fairly heavy for its size (all
> >>those amenities weigh
> >> >> > >> > something). Because of the 9 stays it takes a
> >>bit longer to set up
> >> >> than
> >> >> > >> a
> >> >> > >> > boat with fewer. On the plus side is the IMF
> >>which allows you to
> >> >> raise
> >> >> > >> > mast, sails and boom all at once. Of course
> >>that bundle is heavier
> >> >> than
> >> >> > >> > the individual pieces so a mast raising system
> >>like the once GB
> >> >> sells
> >> >> > >> > comes in very handy.
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Best,
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Mary Lou
> >> >> > >> > 1991 R22 Fretless
> >> >> > >> > Swan Creek (Rock Hall, MD)
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > At 08:31 PM 9/17/2006, you wrote:
> >> >> > >> >>I'm probably about 5 hrs or so from Edenton
> >>and am planning a trip
> >> >> for
> >> >> > >> a
> >> >> > >> >>check-out sail. I haven't heard any comments
> >>about towing with my
> >> >> > >> Toyota.
> >> >> > >> >>I assume most are towed with an suv or
> >>resonably sized truck.
> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> > >> >>Erly
> >> >> > >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip"
> >><3drecon at comcast.net>
> >> >> > >> >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >> >> > >> >>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:17 PM
> >> >> > >> >>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> > >> >>>See, I said there is a negative for every
> >>positive and visa versa
> >> >> > >> (i.e.
> >> >> > >> >>>the
> >> >> > >> >>>boring list).
> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> > >> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >> >> > >> >>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> >> > >> >>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]
> >>On Behalf Of Brad
> >> >> Haslett
> >> >> > >> >>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:05 PM
> >> >> > >> >>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> >> > >> >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes
> >>22
> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> > >> >>>Philip,
> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> > >> >>>No, S2 (Tiara) is another great choice. They
> >>made a 22' foot boat
> >> >> > >> that
> >> >> > >> >>>kicked ass on the racing circuit. Their
> >>gelcoat quality is
> >> >> legendary.
> >> >> > >> The
> >> >> > >> >>>9.2 S2 center cockpit (my boat) gives the
> >>most room of any 30
> >> >> footer
> >> >> > >> ever
> >> >> > >> >>>built at the expense of being ugly. Leon
> >>Slicker, (S2 builder) is
> >> >> a
> >> >> > >> >>>'Stanish" kind of guy but on a larger scale
> >>(boat numbers wise).
> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> > >> >>>But....they have the dullest e-mail list in
> >>the history of
> >> >> sailboats.
> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> > >> >>>'Bigger is better' is only a state of mind.
> >>There are so many days
> >> >> > >> that
> >> >> > >> >>>I
> >> >> > >> >>>long for the smaller boat. If you want a 22
> >>footer, the search is
> >> >> > >> over.
> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> > >> >>>Brad
> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> > >> >>>
> >> >> > >> >>>On 9/17/06, Philip <3drecon at comcast.net>
> >>wrote:
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>One of the negatives is, it would be nice if
> >>it were 26 feet, but
> >> >> > >> then
> >> >> > >> >>>>it
> >> >> > >> >>>>wouldn't be as easily "trailerable". It
> >>would be nice if the
> >> >> company
> >> >> > >> >>>>were
> >> >> > >> >>>a
> >> >> > >> >>>>great world wide corporation, but then you
> >>wouldn't get the
> >> >> personal
> >> >> > >> >>>>attention from the owner (Stan). I can't
> >>think of anymore
> >> >> negatives.
> >> >> > >> >>>>But
> >> >> > >> >>>>with each negative, there is a positive.
> >>This is one outstanding
> >> >> > >> boat.
> >> >> > >> >>>The
> >> >> > >> >>>>only reason to buy something else is size.
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>Philip
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >> >> > >> >>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >>[mailto:
> >> >> > >> >>>> >> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
> >>Behalf Of Erly Garner
> >> >> > >> >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:40 PM
> >> >> > >> >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> >> > >> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes
> >>22
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>Ed K
> >> >> > >> >>>>I'm located close to Hickory, NC. Presently,
> >>I'm sold on the
> >> >> Rhodes
> >> >> > >> but
> >> >> > >> >>>>want to be informed of both sides of the
> >>coin before making an
> >> >> > >> >>>>investment.
> >> >> > >> >>>>I'm relatively certain that my present
> >>vehicle can't tow a Rhodes
> >> >> (93
> >> >> > >> >>>>Toyota
> >> >> > >> >>>>Previa Van) but have reserved hopes. There
> >>are bound to be some
> >> >> > >> >>>>negative
> >> >> > >> >>>>sides to a Rhodes, I just can't seem to find
> >>any.
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>Erly
> >> >> > >> >>>>----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > >> >>>>From: "Tootle"
> >> >> > >> >>>>To:
> >> >> > >> >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:45 PM
> >> >> > >> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes
> >>22
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>Erly:
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>> You came to the wrong house to find con's
> >>to Rhodes 22. When
> >> >> > >> >>>>comparing with the Com-Pac line you have to
> >>go to the CP 25 to
> >> >> > >> >>>>compare. And
> >> >> > >> >>>>then you do not have the type trailerability
> >>of the Rhodes 22. As
> >> >> > >> the
> >> >> > >> >>>>owner
> >> >> > >> >>>>of Com Pac told me, yes you can trail a 25,
> >>at the beginning of
> >> >> the
> >> >> > >> >>>>season
> >> >> > >> >>>>and at the end of the season.
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>> If you want to trail without a big truck
> >>there just is not
> >> >> > >> >>>> currently
> >> >> > >> >>>>another design that works like the Rhodes
> >>22, tis fact.
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>> One person can rig, launch, retrieve and
> >>unrig a Rhodes 22, it
> >> >> > >> is
> >> >> > >> >>>>done all the time by members of this list.
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>> Where are you located? Have you seen a
> >>Rhodes 22? Look at
> >> >> > >> this
> >> >> > >> >>>> web
> >> >> > >> >>>>site:
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>http://www.frappr.com/rhodes22
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>Ed K
> >> >> > >> >>>>Greenville, SC, USA
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>
> >> >> > >> >>>>Erly Garner wrote:
> >> >> > >> >>>> >
> >> >> > >> >>>> > Hi:
> >> >> > >> >>>> >
> >> >> > >> >>>> > I've done limited sailing with my brother
> >>on his Compac 19.
> >> >> I'm
> >> >> > >> just
> >> >> > >> >>>>now
> >> >> > >> >>>> > getting serious about getting my own boat
> >>and my research
> >> >> > >> >>>> indicates > that
> >> >> > >> >>>> > the Rhodes 22 seems to be a real dream
> >>boat. I've got to have
> >> >> > >> >>>> an > easily
> >> >> > >> >>>> > trailerable craft (definite MUST), mostly
> >>plan on lake
> >> >> sailing,
> >> >> > >> >>>>girlfriend
> >> >> > >> >>>> > insists on enclosed head, a few lake side
> >>overnights on
> >> >> weekends,
> >> >> > >> and
> >> >> > >> >>>>want
> >> >> > >> >>>> > to do limited salt water upon retiring.
> >>Big brother say there
> >> >> is
> >> >> > >> no
> >> >> > >> >>>>other
> >> >> > >> >>>> > boat but the Compac. What are the down
> >>sides and disadvantages
> >> >> of
> >> >> > >> a
> >> >> > >> >>>> > Rhodes? How trailerable is it (smallest
> >>vehicle to pull)?
> >> >> > >> >>>> >
> >> >> > >> >>>> > Thanks,
> >> >> > >> >>>> > Erly
> >> >> > >> >>>> >
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